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And now for the real reason for the war in Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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Came across this article in a German newspaper,it seems that now its a pretty safe guess that the west had planned on this for their benefit,because anyway you want to cut it,it is only the west that IS benefiting from it.

It is western countries that are putting their people in positions of power in Ukraine,it is western countries that are throwing money at Ukraine as loans,it is western countries that are throwing weapons on loan to Ukraine to be paid at a later date.And now this,others had posted this earlier in the war,but it seemed to be supposition at the time,it is now known that the port of Odessa has been bought and now here goes their fertile land.


deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de...

I used Google translate.

In case you can't translate for some reason:



Globalisieriung
Loans from taxpayers: seed companies buy land in Ukraine
German Economic News | Published: 02/27/15 01:13 clock | 88 Comments

The federal government has admitted in response to a request of the Left Party, that national and international companies in Ukraine benefiting from EU subsidies and loans. There is a transfer of fertile lands to Ukrainian oligarchs and international seed companies. In return, the Kiev government receives international loans.
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Topics: Agriculture , The Left , DuPont , land grabbing , land theft , Monsanto , oligarchs , looting , seed , Ukraine
The Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Petro Poroshenko also among the oligarchs in Ukraine. (Photo: Reuters)

The Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Petro Poroshenko also among the oligarchs in Ukraine. (Photo: Reuters)

In a small request of the parliamentary group of the Left Party on January 19, 2015, the "land grabbing", ie the criticized "land grab by states and major national and international companies," in Ukraine.

The left is outraged over a planned redistribution of land:

"In the Shadow of Ukraine crisis is here to watch a worrying transfer of land to Ukrainian oligarchs, but also Western, listed agricultural companies and non-Western states. The Ukraine was considered in the past as the breadbasket of the Soviet Union and is due to their significant presence of black earth known to be particularly fruitful and productive. With 32 million hectares of arable land Ukraine has twice as much arable land area of ​​Germany. Ukrainian and foreign agroholdings already control about half of the Ukrainian agricultural country, which are about 17 million hectares. The lessor achieve due to the still low rents low income and are sometimes even paid in kind. "

Seed producers have a strong interest in Ukrainian lands:

"Ukraine is one of the promising growth markets for seed producers Monsanto and DuPont. It is feared that Monsanto great pressure on the authorities in Ukraine exercises to enforce its demands for an expansion of biotechnology and genetically modified organisms (GMOs). Last year, Monsanto has invested 140 million to increase the potential for future Prdouktion. "

German companies are also benefiting from the "land grabbing":

"The German companies that profit from land grabbing in Eastern Europe, is one example, which was founded in 2007 AGRARIUS AG, headquartered in Bad Homburg, which" offers investment in farmland "and services related to the purchase of land. In Hamburg, the German agricultural CEE GmbH lures with returns of 100 percent for the "most interesting agricultural market in the world," and KTG Agrar SE, also based in Hamburg, advertises organic products because they promise a much higher profit margin. "

International and national companies receive financial, development and EU subsidies. Agricultural corporations build in Ukraine for ten years, as more of rape. This was linked to the increased needs of the EU's biofuels. About 90 percent of rape is exported to the EU and processed there. The federal government reported as part of the request that the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) had awarded 2,014 loans to a total of 131 Ukrainian and 55 international agroholdings.

On the question of the Left Party, whether the agricultural concerns DuPont and Monsanto would receive KfW loans for its operations in Ukraine, did not specifically respond to the federal government.

In response, states:

"The publication of information on lending by the KfW bank group affected trade and business secrets of the undertakings concerned. The public response to the question of whether and to what extent a company finances its business activities over which type of loan is generally suitable to give competitors information not only about the financial resources of a company, but in the market including its strategy and positioning. "

edit on 1-3-2015 by Dimithae because: added a line




posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: Dimithae

Balderdash!
Who gains if Russia devides the Ukraine?
Where does the West gain and that includes the US and the EU?
Putin, as a person, is as much of a threat to world peace today as Hitler was in Germany.
You can't split hairs on this deal. It is straightforward and simple.


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posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Dimithae

Balderdash!
Who gains if Russia devides the Ukraine?
Where does the West gain and that includes the US and the EU?
Putin, as a person, is as much of a threat to world peace today as Hitler was in Germany.
You can't split hairs on this deal. It is straightforward and simple.


So you are the almighty dictator of righteousness?

What seems straight forward to me - and I am sorry this goes against your dictatorship - is that the USA is Nazi Germany. The US finished up from where Nazi Germany left off. US dictatorship has spanned the globe, bases nearly surrounding the country that Nazi America labels Nazi.



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: Aliensun





Balderdash!


Fiddlesticks!

What claim in the article is balderdash?



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Dimithae

Balderdash!
Who gains if Russia devides the Ukraine?
Where does the West gain and that includes the US and the EU?

War is destructive, costs billions to wage and clean up after. Who benefits from that?

Who benefits form the industry that rises out of the ash, the interest on the loans, the lucrative construction contracts?

Its a win win for the victors all around. Even now the sanctions on Russia and the loss of income from trade between Russia and EU nations benefit the US.

Guess the EU and Ukraine will have to deal with the US now, huh?



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:01 AM
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Just curious, but has this "land grab" model by the West been seen before, perhaps in Poland or Lithuania? Is there any evidence, apart from comment in this article, that land in Ukraine is being transferred to oligarchs and "seed companies", presumably Monsanto and their ilk? In fact, who is the Ukrainian oligarchy?

Just because someone produces an article, does not mean it has any link to reality.

Regards
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posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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Why am I not surprised to see Monsanto mentioned yet again?

Corporations & War are the same as Peanut Butter & Jelly.

Peace



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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Ukraine has been controlled and led by Russia for decades now. Where has it got them? Bankrupt, cut in half with a huge portion annexed by Russia. Oddly enough Ukrainians are happy to see EU investment in their country. With these land purchases comes investment and modern agricultural businesses.

I know seeing real change in a former Russian servant really upsets Mother Russians, but just like the changes in the Baltic states and Poland it eventually was going to happen. Poland is a classic example of a Soviet economy exploding with growth after getting free from it's leech of a Mother.



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
Just curious, but has this "land grab" model by the West been seen before, perhaps in Poland or Lithuania? Is there any evidence, apart from comment in this article, that land in Ukraine is being transferred to oligarchs and "seed companies", presumably Monsanto and their ilk? In fact, who is the Ukrainian oligarchy?

Just because someone produces an article, does not mean it has any link to reality.

Regards


Tell that to those that verbally abuse posters that are skeptical about the the headline 'Boris Nemtsov (Putin Critic) killed in the center of Moscow and see if they agree that they are running away with sensational headlines and no proof.



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

How about the port of Odessa?

tass.ru...

And if you don't trust that source,how about one from Ukraine's government site?

www.kmu.gov.ua...

Yes there is a land grab going on in Ukraine,the dust hasn't even settled from the fighting and the Vultures have moved in.



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: noeltrotsky

After big AG comes in and buys anything worth anything,they now own it,so how is it Ukrainian anymore after that?



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: noeltrotsky
Ukraine has been controlled and led by Russia for decades now. Where has it got them? Bankrupt, cut in half with a huge portion annexed by Russia. Oddly enough Ukrainians are happy to see EU investment in their country. With these land purchases comes investment and modern agricultural businesses.

I know seeing real change in a former Russian servant really upsets Mother Russians, but just like the changes in the Baltic states and Poland it eventually was going to happen. Poland is a classic example of a Soviet economy exploding with growth after getting free from it's leech of a Mother.



Your rational just made me warm and fuzzy realizing that China's take-over of Canada's west coast is not cultural genocide, they just want to help us with their investments and we should be grateful.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Edit to add: Can we PLEASE get an eye-roll button up in here?
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posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: Dimithae

I know what you mean. Big companies come in and buy up huge tracts of land then farm them relentlessly, shipping off the rape to the EU for Bio Fuel. It is a massive industry in the US, corn there.

The thing is the Ukrainian government needs the tax base these companies can provide. The few jobs they will provide can really change lives in Ukraine. A developing economy needs to start somewhere. Ukraine has fertile ground so it's a good place to start. They really have very little to export. Besides the rocket industry they have built up, which is world class and could fall into the wrong hands if the government isn't careful.



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Your rational just made me warm and fuzzy realizing that China's take-over of Canada's west coast is not cultural genocide, they just want to help us with their investments and we should be grateful.
Thanks for clearing that up.


'Cultural genocide' ??? Ah, someone has racial issues I think.

Personally I love Chinese investment in Canada. It has caused some problems but the cheap Sushi on every street corner in Vancouver is simply to die for...



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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Oddly enough Ukrainians are happy to see EU investment in their country.


Not all seem happy about this "investment".



In a small request of the parliamentary group of the Left Party on January 19, 2015, the "land grabbing", ie the criticized "land grab by states and major national and international companies," in Ukraine. The left is outraged over a planned redistribution of land:


The Ukrainians should be very happy that their land is being sold of to foreign and third parties in exchange for bondage through debt.


The federal government has admitted in response to a request of the Left Party, that national and international companies in Ukraine benefiting from EU subsidies and loans. There is a transfer of fertile lands to Ukrainian oligarchs and international seed companies. In return, the Kiev government receives international loans.



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: MasterMaximum

Of course the government of Ukraine should sit down and consider how much land it wants to sell to foreign interests. That is a good question because too much of anything is often bad.

The OP links an article showing that the government in Ukraine is considering the issue. It's a good sign that the government is functioning after a year of crisis management trying to simply survive an invasion by it's neighbor.



posted on Mar, 1 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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Of course it was, Ukraine doesn't get called The Bread Basket of Europe for nothing



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