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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: Gryphon66
No need to belabor the secrecy point. We all acknowledge that this program is not secret, per se.
Are you under the impression that the federal government has the extra funds laying around to spend on this? We probably spent several million on that BS 'toolkit' alone.
The debate over the effects of this kind of social engineering need not be discussed, as it is moot. This is one more superfluous federal program at a time when we cannot afford to flush money down the toilet.
Assimilation used to be the immigrant's responsibility. What changed?
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66
Are you with him in agreement?
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66
The influx of immigrants who aren't identified?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: AuranVector
The "Task Force on New Americans" is a group set up by Presidential Memorandum -- Creating Welcoming Communities and Fully Integrating Immigrants and Refugees
My point is, that this is not some nefarious, hidden agenda that Ms. Payne for some reason had secret access to the story of which she's breaking.
As you can see full information is posted on the Whitehouse.gov website.
I referenced the blog post in the "Independent Sentinel" earlier. More rehash of the same material as the OP.
What would she gain by "making this up" ... well, aside from the published facts of the Task Force (which by the way, echoes a GW Bush Task Force by the same name) ... these implications that she was privy to some secret plan to "transform the United States" are simply BS. Her gain is tossing more red meat to the portion of America that believes every ludicrous bit of nonsense that comes its way.
Some of what she says is credible and verifiable in terms of published material. (See above.)
Most of what she says are mere echos of paranoid fantasies which easily promulgated through the rightstream media echo chamber back in November when the Task Force was announced (ex. The Daily Caller.
My point is, none of this is some nefarious mystery, or a secret plot that Ms. Payne's ingenious "undercover journalism" has discovered which needs to be brought to the "attention of the US Congress."
It is, after all, published on the White House's website.
originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: Gryphon66
So you're 100% ok with this program, now that we know it is not being kept entirely secret?
That's the only problem you saw with it as presented by the OP?
Really??
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: xuenchen
You do realize that this program is not for people who immigrated illegally? It is for legal immigrants and refugees?
Reading Comprehension? Or just full-on, bleary eyed Xenophobia?
Not to mention this is a task force created by his GOP predecessor...
Fact Sheet: Task Force on New Americans
Created in June 2006 by President George W. Bush, the Task Force on New Americans is an interagency initiative to help immigrants learn English, embrace the common core of American civic culture, and fully become American.
www.uscis.gov...
The right-wings bubble of vitriolic conspiracy floats farther from reality with every passing day.
originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: Gryphon66
No need to belabor the secrecy point. We all acknowledge that this program is not secret, per se.
Are you under the impression that the federal government has the extra funds laying around to spend on this? We probably spent several million on that BS 'toolkit' alone.
The debate over the effects of this kind of social engineering need not be discussed, as it is moot. This is one more superfluous federal program at a time when we cannot afford to flush money down the toilet.
Assimilation used to be the immigrant's responsibility. What changed?
originally posted by: AuranVector
originally posted by: Shamrock6
Um....the cabinet only has 15 positions in it. So how were 16 "members" of the cabinet on the call?
Or are they including people who are cabinet level but not in the cabinet? If that's the case, I would love to know if it was the federal trade rep? The administrator of the small business admin? The ambassador to the UN?
There are 15 Cabinet departments. Since Munoz, the Director of WH Domestic Policy Council was in charge, it would be reps from the various pertinent Depts needed to implement this "Task Force on New Americans."
originally posted by: Shamrock6
originally posted by: AuranVector
originally posted by: Shamrock6
Um....the cabinet only has 15 positions in it. So how were 16 "members" of the cabinet on the call?
Or are they including people who are cabinet level but not in the cabinet? If that's the case, I would love to know if it was the federal trade rep? The administrator of the small business admin? The ambassador to the UN?
There are 15 Cabinet departments. Since Munoz, the Director of WH Domestic Policy Council was in charge, it would be reps from the various pertinent Depts needed to implement this "Task Force on New Americans."
Yea that was the point I was getting at. It wasn't 16 members of the cabinet like the article stated. It was 16 people who work for various agencies within the cabinet.
There's kind of a massive difference between the secretary of defense or Secretary of State and somebody who works within DoD of DoS. The way the article is written is that it was the cabinet members themselves. The cabinet is the actual people, not the departments. So saying 16 members of the cabinet means the 16 most senior members of agencies included in the cabinet.
Shenanigans.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: AuranVector
Perhaps it doesn't invalidate the content of the calls, no. But it does invalidate the claim that 16 members of the cabinet were on the call. Your own list isn't even made up of 16 cabinet positions or departments.