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GoFundMe is Sheriff Richard Macks' answer for medical bills instead of buying ACA insurance.

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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Olivine

Damn I was not expecting the comments on that website!
So the moral of this story is don't buy healthcare cause obama but to just ask for the money from other people when you are in need.
Damn socialist.


That's not socialism, what the Sheriff is doing is voluntarism. Socialism uses men with guns to forcibly take a percentage of your earnings at the threat of violence and imprisonment for "the greater good."




posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Well that is one way to put it, other way is a society that is willing to pay for others when in need.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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It is also ironic, and we're seeing it again here, that those who claim to be the most compassionate are also revealed to be the very meanest.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Well that is one way to put it, other way is a society that is willing to pay for others when in need.


No, a society that is willing to pay for others is one where everyone gives voluntarily. If there is an element of force to it, that cease to be willing. Look up willing sometime.

We could use Barack Obama's own example of the sandwich to instruct here.

He said (and you agree) that a sharing society is one where a teacher (or other authority figure) comes along and sees that one kid has no sandwich and the other has a whole sandwich, so she takes the sandwich and gives half to each kid.

This is not willing. No one asked the kid with the sandwich if he wanted to give half his sandwich to the other kid. Some teacher just came and took his sandwich away and redistributed it.

In a truly willing society, the kid with the sandwich notices the kid without and offers him half the sandwich without any teacher intervention (or maybe the kid without asks for some sandwich and the kid with the sandwich gives him some - what's going on here).

This is true charity and a truly willing society.
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Well that is one way to put it, other way is a society that is willing to pay for others when in need.


There is no justification in using authoritarian-tactics to take money from people. Stop using bullies to steal from others and pretending like your morally better because you hide behind your hired henchmen.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: jude11
Yes people are in incredible medical debt but that was the case LONG before the ACA...
Usually from people that didn't have the health care and tried this route and were not able to get the funds they need.

The simple answer is have medical just a basic right and not have to worry about it, but that just makes to much sense.

Would take to much money out of to many rich fat cats.


I believe we have an agreement point here.

Peace



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

A better analogy would be the teacher(government) taking the sandwich and taking a 50% bite out of it. Then distributing another 25% among the other teachers(corporations etc)...leaving the students with the remaining 25% in which both have to divide unevenly among themselves.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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This is actually a good idea. This way those that have the extra money or are inclined towards universal healthcare can pay for it directly and bypass the bureaucracy. People without the extra money or those that don't believe in socialism can choose not to participate. This is more like the voluntary society that I would prefer we adopt in the future.

Good idea, indeed!




posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

It's better than paying for an overstuffed bureaucracy along the way and then funding the early retirement of those same bureaucrats while you're at it.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
I was laughing until I saw he was actually getting money. I hope he gets taxed on that!


Really, you were laughing until you realized that people were helping him?

Class.


Actually class would have been for this man to admit he was wrong.

My sense of humor or appreciation for irony is a quality quite rare, thank you.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: olaru12

Except all those private providers now have to write their policies exactly like the ACA ones, so those are really the floor. Anything else must either be comparable or more which means more expensive.



That's BS...it's still possible to negotiate with health care providers.
I just did it with my group policy to cover my employees.

money.cnn.com...
healthinsurance.about.com...
www.dailyfinance.com...

Another case of letting your ideology get in the way of your common sense.

Rush and Fox aren't credible sources of information.
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:56 PM
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If you think this is a good idea for society, what do you do for those people who don't have a large following or an unknown or misunderstood disease. You just let those people suffer? Typical American attitude towards health provision. I'm alright Jack mentality



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Lol ok ya cause I said all of that.
I was talking about willingness.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: OrphanApology
a reply to: Olivine

The affordable healthcare act is an extension of the managed health care insurance scam started by Nixon in the 70's.

Private donation isn't an acceptable alternative to the ACA as the ACA and all managed healthcare insurance need to be done away with completely so the healthcare market can price correct itself in an agonizingly painful process that would take about 10 years,

Until that's done, healthcare costs are so ballooned beyond reasonable market prices that private donations would only cover a fraction of the costs.



This is the best post in this thread.

Healthcare would not be as expensive as it is if people had no health insurance.

Get rid of the health insurance companies and no one will be able to afford health care. If healthcare providers have no customers, they will either go bankrupt or lower their prices.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Iamthatbish

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
I was laughing until I saw he was actually getting money. I hope he gets taxed on that!


Really, you were laughing until you realized that people were helping him?

Class.


Actually class would have been for this man to admit he was wrong.

My sense of humor or appreciation for irony is a quality quite rare, thank you.


It is not "ironic" that someone who opposes the socialistic take over of voluntary health care to become sick and refuse to change their mind in the face of hardship. If anything, it is consistent with his position.

Seems more like schadenfreude to me on your part.
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: Iamthatbish
I was laughing until I saw he was actually getting money. I hope he gets taxed on that!


So you prefer using bullies to steal people's lunch money for you so you can pretend to be moral?



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Lol ok ya cause I said all of that.
I was talking about willingness.


If you don't use government to force people into doing want you want, and you value voluntary interactions over coercion--then I'm right there with you.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

You wouldn't even have to get rid of the insurance companies.

Just get the government out of it and these type plans would disappear. They don't work without government interference because they aren't based on logic or actuarial science.

Insurance is supposed to be a product that protects against catastrophic but rare events. That's how traditional insurance is priced and it doesn't work any other way from an actuarial perspective.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Insurance is not a finance vehicle for all healthcare. It is insurance.

Period.

Managed healthcare products would disappear by natural atrophy if the government was no longer involved. The healthcare insurance market would have to go back to making regular insurance products or go out of business.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: Olivine
ATS remembers Sheriff Mack, right?

What do you think, is crowd-funding an acceptable alternative to the ACA to pay for medical expenses? What if a person less well-known than Sheriff Mack falls short of their funding needs? Then what?


Crowd funding wouldn't work as an alternative to ACA to fund people's medical expenses. I think it is an acceptable way for Sheriff Mack, but he fits a niche that most people won't fit. I think it is extremely likely that if any of us tried crowd funding to pay off our medical expenses for the rest of our life, that we would fall short of our funding needs.
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: olaru12

Except all those private providers now have to write their policies exactly like the ACA ones, so those are really the floor. Anything else must either be comparable or more which means more expensive.



That's BS...it's still possible to negotiate with health care providers.
I just did it with my group policy to cover my employees.

money.cnn.com...
healthinsurance.about.com...
www.dailyfinance.com...

Another case of letting your ideology get in the way of your common sense.

Rush and Fox aren't credible sources of information.


This is group v. individual though.



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