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GoFundMe is Sheriff Richard Macks' answer for medical bills instead of buying ACA insurance.

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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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ATS remembers Sheriff Mack, right?

Mack ran unsuccessfully for Congress twice, founded the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, was by Cliven Bundy's side during his stand-off with the BLM, and was a vocal opponent of Obamacare.

Well, he and his wife have had some serious health issues and are using gofundme to raise money to pay their medical bills.

First, I hope he and wife are rapidly recovering. Second, read the comments associated with the donations; many liberals are donating, with admonitions to buy insurance through the ACA.

This conservative website frames his decision to use private donations over insurance as exercising his personal liberty.
I don't know, I lean toward calling it ironic.

What do you think, is crowd-funding an acceptable alternative to the ACA to pay for medical expenses? What if a person less well-known than Sheriff Mack falls short of their funding needs? Then what?




posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Olivine

One thing that I know for sure.

We as a people have to rely on the kindness of others rather than the BS of bureaucracy.

We raise funds for schools, medical, homeless, food, shelter, medical, lawyers, environment, charities...and on and on and on...

What we pay to the Govt. in order to help us or our neighbors is not being covered. We are taking the initiative and helping each other more and more yet paying taxes that should be diverted to the same.

Screw the Govt. and help each other when and where we can.

Govt. will always fail in one way or the other but the people will always survive one way or the other.


Peace



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Olivine

Acceptable? Yeah. Ironic? Yep.

Though I wish them speedy medical care, I can't help but laugh. The lengths people will go to in order to avoid endorsing anything with our president's fingerprints on them is amazing.

It's like "It's wrong to make me subsidize poor peoples' health care... hey, you gotta few bucks?"



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: Olivine

Damn I was not expecting the comments on that website!
So the moral of this story is don't buy healthcare cause obama but to just ask for the money from other people when you are in need.
Damn socialist.
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: jude11
a reply to: Olivine

One thing that I know for sure.

We as a people have to rely on the kindness of others rather than the BS of bureaucracy.

We raise funds for schools, medical, homeless, food, shelter, medical, lawyers, environment, charities...and on and on and on...

What we pay to the Govt. in order to help us or our neighbors is not being covered. We are taking the initiative and helping each other more and more yet paying taxes that should be diverted to the same.

Screw the Govt. and help each other when and where we can.

Govt. will always fail in one way or the other but the people will always survive one way or the other.


Peace


Yeah... but most of the people chipping in for the sheriff are people who are paying into the system that would solve his issues. That's currently the most efficient way to help each other. Improve it, tweak it, make it perfect. But don't thumb your nose at it and then expect empathy when you need that very same service.

I'm glad we are, by majority, both a sympathetic and reasonable group of people.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: Olivine

The affordable healthcare act is an extension of the managed health care insurance scam started by Nixon in the 70's.

Private donation isn't an acceptable alternative to the ACA as the ACA and all managed healthcare insurance need to be done away with completely so the healthcare market can price correct itself in an agonizingly painful process that would take about 10 years,

Until that's done, healthcare costs are so ballooned beyond reasonable market prices that private donations would only cover a fraction of the costs.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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I wonder what this man's opinions on the homeless and panhandling are, because ultimately, what he's doing isn't that much different than glorified panhandling.

It certainly is his right to do this, and people's right to give. I however wouldn't personally.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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I was laughing until I saw he was actually getting money. I hope he gets taxed on that!



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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I'm glad I have a quality national health system that doesn't mean I have to go on the Internet cap in hand and beg people to heLp me out. The days of Oliver Twist 'asking for more' are thankfully over in this country. It seems some people want to see people beg, so they can cast judgement from their high horses



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Olivine

Damn I was not expecting the comments on that website!
So the moral of this story is don't by healthcare cause obama but to just ask for the money from other people when you are in need.
Damn socialist.


YES...That is the story.

1. Rely on a failed health care plan that costs thousands to most that can't decide to pay or eat.

2. Take a chance that you won't get sick but if you do, rely on the kindness of others that can relate.


However...If you have the bank to pay your own, pay it. DO NOT ask for money from others because they have a heart while hiding your own cash.

Peace



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: jude11

Ya lets use hyperboles like people are starving cause of the aca...
If you are really in that much trouble then I am sure you would qualify for subsides or are just plain exaggerating.




However...If you have the bank to pay your own, pay it.

We can agree here.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Iamthatbish
I was laughing until I saw he was actually getting money. I hope he gets taxed on that!


Really, you were laughing until you realized that people were helping him?

Class.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: jude11

Ya lets use hyperboles like people are starving cause of the aca...
If you are really in that much trouble then I am sure you would qualify for subsides or are just plain exaggerating.




However...If you have the bank to pay your own, pay it.

We can agree here.


Call it what you want. People ARE starving to pay medical or sacrificing medical for Kraft Dinner. Fact.

I personally don't care who it is but if you can pay the medical and eat, PAY the medical by yourself. If you can't eat and pay medical, eat first and ask for help from the people.

Quite simple actually.

Peace



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Cuervo

It's like "It's wrong to make me subsidize poor peoples' health care... hey, you gotta few bucks?"


It is wrong to say it is a "subsidize poor peoples' health care" when in actuality it isn't. Everyone in the country has seen a raise in healthcare cost. Mine has gone up 5x.

And what do the poor get for me paying 5x times more and the vast majority of the country paying more?

Lets say you are a poor family of 4 that brings in 30k a year. The Government pays $747 per month and you pay $50 per month. Not bad...

Well except you will pay the doctor's bills until you hit $4k to $5k then you pay 40% until you hit $12k.

Are you really going to be able to pay?



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: jude11
Yes people are in incredible medical debt but that was the case LONG before the ACA...
Usually from people that didn't have the health care and tried this route and were not able to get the funds they need.

The simple answer is have medical just a basic right and not have to worry about it, but that just makes to much sense.

Would take to much money out of to many rich fat cats.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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Im curious as to why Sheriff Mack and his wife didn't take personal responsibility [isn't that the conservative mantra?] and set aside enough money for their health insurance. There are still plenty of private providers out there he could have written a policy with besides ACA.


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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
I curious as to why Sheriff Mack and his wife didn't take personal responsibility [isn't that the conservative mantra?] and set aside enough money for their health insurance. There are still plenty of private providers out there he could have written a policy with besides ACA.


Exactly the law says you need medical insurance not that you have to join the ACA. Besides that with all his book sales and personal appearances this guy doesn't have the money to pay his own bills? Sounds more like he is just running a sob story to others to pay his bills so he can keep his money.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Except all those private providers now have to write their policies exactly like the ACA ones, so those are really the floor. Anything else must either be comparable or more which means more expensive.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Exactly. Only rich people should get to keep their money because they worked for it. Poor people always are poor cuz its their fault.

Class.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Olivine

Acceptable? Yeah. Ironic? Yep.

Though I wish them speedy medical care, I can't help but laugh. The lengths people will go to in order to avoid endorsing anything with our president's fingerprints on them is amazing.

It's like "It's wrong to make me subsidize poor peoples' health care... hey, you gotta few bucks?"


There is a world of difference between voluntarily asking for donations and being forced to buy a product.

How do you people not understand that it is the use of force that is repugnant.

If you actually wanted to see a change in the cost of healthcare in the US, you'd get rid of health insurance companies.



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