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"US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real"

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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: Brotherman
Interesting to note. Bybyots your find reads as though it was written by Vallee I wonder if it was? I think is most interesting they know enough about it to determine the phenomenon alters perception etc I wonder what is hidden in guys file, I also wonder how they have determined this if not just parroted from other researchers.

Vallee is an interdimensional guy, which is not what the general conclusion is in project CONDIGN. That's not to say he had input, just that CONDIGN'S conclusions were centered much around the elusive sprites, only seen high in the atmosphere, but also something akin to ball lightning, in itself something of a mystery but still, there is a grudging aknowledgement that it is a real phenomenon...aka a UAP. That's where Rendlesham comes in, but it's tricky, it kind of saying that Rendlesham was a candidate for a UAP, whether, Sprite, Elve and ball lightning, or maybe something without a name but similar in the mix, they really have no evidence of that though.
The overall effects then on humans are tenuous, while neurological radiation effects have been observed elsewhere, since they don't know exactly what they are dealing with, there is no idea that any neurological effects, could IN TURN produce something dramatic in human tissue, short term long term whatever. That's likely why things get locked up.




posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
According to a Press Release by John Burroughs it has.

[snip]

If you don’t know already, John Burroughs is one of the original witnesses to the Rendlesham Forest incident in December 1980. He is the only airman to have been a witness to the events of both the first night and the final night when Colonel Halt (the Deputy Base Commander) accompanied a group into the forest to investigate.

(For information on the actual UFO case I have covered Rendlesham in a LOT more detail in this thread.)

John had suffered with congestive heart failure in recent years and had to undergo corrective surgery in late 2013. In order to understand his condition better Burroughs doctors asked that his medical records were released by the military. He was first informed that there was no record of him being in the US Air Force between between 1979 and 1983.

After further appeals he discovered his medical records were actually “classified”. A long legal battle followed involving Senator John McCain amongst others and his attorney Pat Frascogna. In this time Burroughs discovered that buried within the British MoD’s report “Project Condign” there was a paragraph of deep significance to his case.




"The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon] radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods."



Commenting in his press release Burroughs says :




I received lifesaving heart surgery to replace a badly shredded anterior mitral valve caused by the UAP radiation, and a settlement from the DOD and VA admitting I was injured in the line of duty in December of 1980.



Whether that really is admittance by the United States of the reality of the UFO phenomenon is open to interpretation. But it is certainly a most interesting development. [snip]



The thread title is not wrong. UFO or UAP is just that -- Unidentified. It could be anything. So for those who want confirmation that this particular incident is ET in origin, it's not confirmation of that.

The most revealing & interesting part of this story is this:

"In order to understand his condition better Burroughs doctors asked that his medical records were released by the military. He was first informed that there was NO RECORD of him being in the US Air Force between between 1979 and 1983.

After further appeals he discovered his medical records were actually 'classified.'”

If that isn't proof positive of how our government ALTERS records to hide personnel or incidents, then I don't know what would convince a person.

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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 09:11 PM
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I've always felt that the UFO/Unknown Aerial Phenomenon were acknowledged as real in Project Blue Book, IIRC, the final report in bluebook stated that 5% of the unclassified reports were labeled as "unknowns". The consensus was that the unknowns were no threat to U.S. National Security.

The classified reports, like the ones about UFO's shutting down nuke silos, I believe are still classified and probably had an effect on the final report even though they contradicted the final report.

I lived through the '50's and 60's, read everything I could get my hands on, on the subject and remember the people who were associated with bluebook. They took this very, very serious for obvious cold war reasons.

The trick now-a-days for the uninitiated is determining what is ours and what isn't.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Ummm.... "UFO" is a term coined by military personnel used by government authorities on a regular basis and is in all dictionaries...

You do realize UFO doesn't mean Alien right?

So really. the DOD admitted to not knowing what the hell happened in that forest, but something may have been "flying"....

......Real breaking news guys.... The things some people do for a hobby boggles my mind.
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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 09:25 PM
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Wow, great!

Its not the smoking gun but it is something like the gun left behind on the ground with its shell casings still there



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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What I find interesting is this paragraph:



"The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon] radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods."


This strongly implies that a) they are familiar enough with these UAP to know they emit harmful radiation (manmade aircraft do not) and, b) they occur frequently enough for this event to be described as 'longer than normal' exposure, meaning there is enough experience with these events to quantify a 'normal' exposure time.

The idea that longer than normal exposure causes physical injury is the result of experience. They have had enough normal exposure to know it is not harmful and they are suggesting the difference is not in the type or source of the radiation but the duration of the exposure. That's a lot to assume with no history or experience. It would follow to reason then that there is sufficient history and experience upon which to draw a conclusion.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Radiation from a ufo....that's pretty darn apparent. And if a top secret base can't identify a craft with properties far more advanced then anything in existence, I'm sure to say that it was not of this planet. From the testimony and subsequent coverup it's only logical to assume something incredible happened and to ignore that is ignant lol



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 11:02 PM
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I see Sen. John McCain helped, not surprised. This is a very well-known encounter with what was perhaps an unmanned probe. Although the full story indicates an extraterrestrial origin for the probe, I feel there is some possibility of it being a crashed Soviet nuclear-powered satellite, which explains the radiation. This reminds me of the Keck encounter also.
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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: Parthin
I see Sen. John McCain helped, not surprised. This is a very well-known encounter with what was perhaps an unmanned probe. Although the full story indicates an extraterrestrial origin for the probe, I feel there is some possibility of it being a crashed Soviet nuclear-powered satellite, which explains the radiation. This reminds me of the Keck encounter also.
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Wasn't the UFO moving in between the trees? I don't believe they recovered anything....so no I don't think it was a crashed satellite. Someone who is really familiar with the case should list out all the characteristics observed of the UFO. I believe there is actually a written dialogue of their walkie-talkie communication during the encounter.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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Penniston turned me off from this case. His claims are just too wild and not substantiated by others. As well, there's someone else too who was yahoo, forget name. Makes the whole case like a hot coal.

Seems Burrough just wanted coverage.

EDIT: I think Burroughs might be the other yahoo, so this, imho, makes me doubt the OP is on to anything. And another thing, the base commander, Colonel Ted Conrad, denies all the claims. After the initial reporting, the colonel sent personnel out to the sites and was unable to validate what was reported. Ted Conrad has suggested in the past the incident was a hoax.

Two yahoos and only one case. Hmm. Hoax, anyone?

RendleSHAM Forest incident?
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: Justshrug
Wow, great!

Its not the smoking gun but it is something like the gun left behind on the ground with its shell casings still there

I second that. PARTY!!!!



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 12:44 AM
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It would only be a possibility if the account of the incident is not entirely accurate. It would explain the secretive military response. and the subsequent cover-up. The object is described as perhaps smaller then a car, which would indicate there was no live occupant. There is a South American film of what appears to be a small, unmanned UFO. Not in 1980 but perhaps now, we could construct an AI-controlled device with similar characteristics, thanks to our alien tech reverse-engineering program.
a reply to: game over man



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:07 AM
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Well the two yahoos, Jim Penniston and John Burroughs (the man referenced by the OP), helped Nick Pope write a book, named Encounter in Rendlesham Forest: The Inside Story of the World's Best-Documented UFO Incident:
www.goodreads.com ...

Remember: RendleSHAM Forest. Is a simple and easy reminder.

Here's a review of the book:
www.washingtonpost.com - Book review: ‘Encounter in Rendlesham Forest’ a look at a UFO by Nick Pope...
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:18 AM
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Does the late Betty Cash and her grandson get a retro-active settlement or acknowledgement on their UFO encounter if the U.S. DoD verified the Rendlesham Forest incident? I think the young Cash deserves some form of closure on the matter.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Nice job finding this article you list in the OP.

You've obviously struck a nerve with this...Look at all the comments being made against this case and your OP!

A "crashed russian satellite?" Give me a break!


IMHO, The Rendlesham Forest incident is one of the best documented UFO encounters on record. The fact that it is reported in the OP that Burroughs' medical records were "classified" and he only found that out AFTER they initially said he wasn't even in the AF during those years is just crazy.

S&F



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:34 AM
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Holy s**t. This is incredible.

I see so many hoaxes on here and on YouTube that I'd actually started to believe that UFOs were nonsense and the more legit sightings could be explained by secret military aircraft or unusual and rare natural weather phenomenon.

Now my mind is blown and you've rekindled my interest in the subject. Great stuff, OP.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 03:53 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Hiya buddy, there are a few issues with this press release imo. The obvious one is that it's from 'Earthfiles' which is Linda Moulton Howe's site and so every statement requires double-checking and misrepresentations should be assumed. Another is the brash, pro-ET substance in the statement and article - a puff piece for the world-view of certain well-known names in ufology.

The statement is from an attorney and should be expected to accurate. Is it though? Frascogna is an associate of LMH and the 'citizen hearings on disclosure group.' This suggests, to me, that the statement itself is an interpretation by Frascogna that isn't at all the thinking of the VA. Without a release from the VA, we'll have to take his word for it.

The Condign reports weren't a definitive statement of policy by the UK's Ministry of Defence; they were a departmental undertaking that intended no administrative authority. In essence, the conclusions and contents of the report were derivative and hypothetical at best. I'm pointing this out because their very nature would not be credible as evidence in a foreign Court or on a bureaucratic panel.

The VA may have granted 'full medical disability for injury' to Burroughs simply because his medical records showed the first instances of cardiac illness occurring whilst he was a serving member of the USAF. The implication that they were caused whilst serving would be enough for the VA to provide funds for him. That's the ethos of the VA after all. They are set up to support veterans and John McCain always advocates for them too.

Here's what they say:


Disability Compensation is a tax free monetary benefit paid to Veterans with disabilities that are the result of a disease or injury incurred or aggravated during active military service. Compensation may also be paid for post-service disabilities that are considered related or secondary to disabilities occurring in service and for disabilities presumed to be related to circumstances of military service, even though they may arise after service.
US DVA (compensation)

"But there are no medical records!" This is what some members are thinking right? "Why hide them?" Again, we don't know whether they were 'classified' or not. We have to take the word of Burroughs and Frascogna don't we? Then we have the echo chamber of various credulous UFO websites and proponents repeating the claims until they sound 100% true.

Burroughs served in the USAF for 27 years and that alone could have a bearing on the outcome of the VA panel. A doctor's letter saying that his heart condition was the 'result of a disease or injury incurred or aggravated during active military service' might have sufficed as evidence.



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 04:15 AM
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originally posted by: Bybyots
Here is the part of Project Condign's report leveraged by Burroughs in its complete context. It's from UAPoUKADR Vol. 2 Annex F, Part 13.





Project Condign

I think that Burroughs misunderstood about the radiation. That's the key word that provided the fulcrum for Burroughs' lever. Burroughs' and his folks misunderstand the radiation, but to avoid having to explain how the sort of radiation discussed in Project Condign does not "shred heart valves" the DoD chose to settle.




Individuals who suffer from medial temporal lobe damage have a difficult time recalling visual stimuli. This neurotransmission deficit is due, not to lacking perception of visual stimuli but, to lacking perception of interpretation.[8] The most common symptom of inferior temporal lobe damage is visual agnosia, which involves impairment in the identification of familiar objects. Another less common type of inferior temporal lobe damage is prosopagnosia which is an impairment in the recognition of faces and distinction of unique individual facial features.[9]


So whatever these UAPs are emitting seem to have a strong effect on the temporal lobe of the human brain which just happens to affect our ability to identify familiar objects and even facial features. Now if we are assuming that this UAP may be an alien craft could we also assume that this "radiation" that it's emitting may have been engineered to be used as a weapon against humans so that if we were to encounter one of these objects we would not be able to recall any distinctive features or any features that we could recall could possibly be from a warped visual interpretation induced by the radiation emitted? And could this radiation also explain why so many alien abduction victims cannot recall much of their experiences while "aboard the saucer"?

Or could the effects that UAP radiation have on the temporal lobe of the human brain be just an unlucky coincidence... I hate coincidences.
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posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 05:31 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky
Am I mistaken though? Didnt the veterans association refuse compensation to countless victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin, and werent their health records partly classified as well? And the same runaround for those involved in the Bikini Atoll testing... it seems like the US is reluctant to admit radiation or chemical poisoning



posted on Feb, 28 2015 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Aren't they really only admitting that the DoD knew about a vehicle that was active near the base in 1980, and not at all admitting that it was a UFO?

Hypothetically, they could have been testing a small UAV, with exotic power and propulsion systems in that area which malfunctioned and had to land in the forest.

They seem to be acknowledging that this particular UAV emitted a radiation that was harmful to life...a nuclear based power system would also emit a harmful radiation.

Could the Rendlesham forest incident be a secret, and according to treaties and governmental rulings at the time, also a highly illegal test of military drone technology, powered by nuclear means?

This would explain the cover up and why the forest where this took place was immediately cut down to get rid of the residual radioactive evidence that would be on the trees where this UAV came down temporarily.




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