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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: Bybyots

It's never a bad thing to have a second opinion and I always respect your viewpoint Bybyots.

Because I actually stand corrected on the Condign study from what Dr. David Clarke says in an overview of the report.


After three years of prevarication, on December 11, 1996, DI55 finally wrote to their favoured contractor asking him to initiate a computerized database of their UFO records. He was given complete access to the department’s UFO records, which included 22 files dating back to the mid-1970s.

Source : The British MoD Study - Project Condign


So the study actually pre-dated the Rendlesham incident and even if it dismisses UAP as anything extra-terrestrial it's conclusions (at least one) remain very interesting and very relevant.




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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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To extrapolate further. I think that when they ran tests on Cobra Mist, one or two people took an interest in the resulting phenomenon and came back that December to run further tests. An accident happened. A cover up was initiated which would, according to my choice of scenario, have been orchestrated by the CIA in conjunction with British security service personnel, to obfuscate that event which included drugs, hypnosis and staging, or in short form, mind control techniques..........



That's an interesting theory because the location has been home to a number of 'secret' tests dating back to WWI. So maybe in some way all the people involved have actually hit on partial truths. The first night Dec 25th/26th 1980 may never have happened had Burroughs, Penniston and Cabansag not been sent off base to investigate the strange lights. Perhaps that really was triggered by the Russian rocket booster and meteor display and they inadvertently became involved in an experiment that went wrong. Although at that stage no one knew it.

This continued until the deputy base commander became involved on the third night. This is where I find Colonel Halt's actions interesting. You can hear his stories, listen to his tape and hear others testimony and things don't quite add up after that. They haven't for 35 years!



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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The level of security during one of the incidents plus they indicated the objects were not aircraft. In addition, the objects affected stored weapons at the base, which many people are unaware of


This is a little vague. It is known that "Lightalls" were taken off base on the night of 27th/28th December. Is that the night you are referring to?

There is the testimony of Rick Sommerfelt to consider.. to back that up.



To continue, the RAF Bentwaters incidents were not the first time that RAF Bentwaters was involved with UFOs and we can take a look back at 1956 where jets were scrambled.


That is correct although probably not as relevant as a number of other incidents occurring earlier in 1980 and a few weeks into 1981 at Bentwaters. Lori Rehfeldt and Steve La Plume also witnessed strange aerial phenomena around the Twin Bases. Stories here.


As for referring to the "Estimate of the Situation" ,unfortunately, we really aren't in a position to judge how accurate it's conclusions really were as we cannot read it for ourselves.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 01:47 AM
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Ah...good point about the Russian rocket...and the meteror, didn't have those in my mind when I replied to The Gut. I need to have a dig through my notes for something I mentioned on the Vampyr thread about mesospheric disturbance, or something like that.

The thing that I thought interesting about the electrolaser, as a potential outcome of all this, is that it's development was started as an off shoot from Raytheon (who built the Cobra Dane radar site on US soil). In 2007 Wired reported that the "lightning weapon" that they were known to be developing was a "pipe dream", insinuating that Ionatron were whack jobs playing at wizardry and that financially the company was a money pit and "going to the dogs". Long story short...it's the school holidays, peace and quiet a rare commodity in my home..."pipe dream" or not, the way in which funding was kept flowing, and momentum maintained in leadership and direction, indicated to me that they knew that this thing worked, because they had seen it work...the how, why and repeating it, was another matter entirely.

Now the pinch on that is, I am sure I can remember some account where Penniston (I think) said that he saw Burroughs suspended or encased in a ball of light...something like that. ???? Does that ring any bells with you, or anyone else?



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:04 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

I'm just curious how can we assume the tech is ours or human, knowing what these things can do with out any explanation on the tech used to allow these craft to fly in the manner in which they Do, these craft manipulate photons as if to control light and stop how far a beam of light where to continue as the craft sees fit.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:25 AM
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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: greenfox86
a reply to: mirageman

I'm just curious how can we assume the tech is ours or human, knowing what these things can do with out any explanation on the tech used to allow these craft to fly in the manner in which they Do, these craft manipulate photons as if to control light and stop how far a beam of light where to continue as the craft sees fit.



A very quick answer would be , in terms of the content of this thread, that the US Department of Defense (DoD) has finally settled a long case with John Burroughs. According to John Burroughs one of the clinching factors appears to be a paragraph in a British Ministry of Defence (MoD) report known as Project Condign.




"The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon] radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods."


Condign did not conclude the 'tech' was ours nor that it was alien. In fact it did not conclude there was any tech involved at all. It basically came to the conclusion that UAP are atmospheric plasmas that can affect humans and machines. It also postulates this could be 'weaponised' in some way.





The Condign Report on UAP Executive Summary is available by clicking here as these are merely snippets from a huge report.


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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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Project Condign's speculations about human perception and the flight characteristics of UAPs can be found in WORKING PAPER NO. 7 which spans Vol. 2 Parts E and F (starts at the end of E and picks up again in F).


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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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A UFO was seen over three consecutive nights by United States Air Force personnel stationed at the twin bases of Bentwaters and Woodbridge, near Ipswich, England --- then the largest NATO air force bases at the height of the Cold War.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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Now the pinch on that is, I am sure I can remember some account where Penniston (I think) said that he saw Burroughs suspended or encased in a ball of light...something like that. ???? Does that ring any bells with you, or anyone else?


According to UFO Files - Britain's Roswell (History Channel)

This occurred on the 3rd night, Dec 27/28th 1980, when Burroughs was off duty but had returned to the forest based on and instinct that something was happening. Colonel Halt had given him permission to come forward with Sgt Adrian Bustinza. They both started to approach a light in a field, Bustinza fell over as Burroughs was engulfed in the light. Then everything was plunged into darkness.....

Burroughs tells the story himself about 21 mins in on the video below.




posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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This is a little vague. It is known that "Lightalls" were taken off base on the night of 27th/28th December. Is that the night you are referring to?


I do know that Light-Alls were taken off the base and that was confirmed by one of my co-workers who drove past the area on one of the nights.



As for referring to the "Estimate of the Situation" ,unfortunately, we really aren't in a position to judge how accurate it's conclusions really were as we cannot read it for ourselves.


That is much more about what the government knows about UFOs. Since my UFO sighting over Vietnam in 1968, which have been occurring over Vietnam that year and again in 1969, I eventually became very interested in UFOs. After my assignment in Vietnam, I was assigned to Hill AFB, UT, which was involved in investigations involving UFOs over our Minuteman missile sites. Some of the missiles were rendered not mission capable and during that time, flying saucers were reported over the missile sites and the intrusions continued through the years and there was nothing we could do about it. No only were we affected, but weapons in the UK and even in the former Soviet Union were affected by UFOs. The incident in the Soviet Union was the most chilling incident to date as they watched in horror as their missiles prepared to launch. At that time, a flying saucer was seen hovering over their missile base.



Recent Russian Newspaper Article Discusses UFO Incidents at Soviet and American Nuclear Weapons Sites

UFO HACKED NUCLEAR CODES

Russia and the USA were on the brink of nuclear war because of UFO attacks on military bases where nuclear missiles were on alert.

www.ufohastings.com...
www....(nolink)/soviet-nukes-and-ufos/2002

www....(nolink)/wp-content/uploads/Kapustin-Yar-doc.jpg


My base completed an investigation into the Malmstrom AFB/UFO incidents just before I reported for duty. In fact, I personally spoke with Captain Robert Salas, one of the missile officers, years ago about the incident.



The Malmstrom AFB UFO/Missile Incident

www.cufon.org...


Malmstrom AFB was attacked again by UFOs in 1975. Other SAC bases were also affected by UFOs over the years, but there was nothing we could do about except scramble aircraft, which were powerless to do anything.

Even a B-52 was asked to check out a UFO during the Minot AFB incident where the co-pilot of the bomber was able to look inside the UFO as the aircraft flew by the craft.



A NARRATIVE OF UFO EVENTS AT MINOT AIR FORCE BASE

Upon reaching the object the B-52 flew alongside and executed a left turn over and around it. As the B-52 banked over the object, copilot Capt. Bradford Runyon was able to observe the UFO through the pilot’s window as it passed beneath the aircraft. He described a huge egg-shaped object with a surface that appeared to give off a dull reddish color like molten steel. As they began the turn, he noticed a smooth metallic tubular section extending horizontally from the long-end of the elliptical object, connecting to the mid-point of a curved crescent-shaped protuberance, not unlike a bumper. This section encompassed the width of the body and emanated a greenish-yellow glow from its interior back, illuminating the tubular section and the front of the egg-shaped main body of the object. Once again, their radios would not transmit during the very close approach.

minotb52ufo.com...

minotb52ufo.com...


The Air Force has known since the 1940's that the UFOs in question were those of extraterrestrials. Not many people today are aware that there was a time when the Air Force ordered its pilots to shoot down flying saucers.

roswellproof.homestead.com...

roswellproof.homestead.com...


In regard to one of the Malmstrom AFB UFO incidents, Col Lewis D. Chase wrote this letter.



DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
HEADQUARTERS 341ST COMBAT SUPPORT GROUP (SAC)
MALMSTROM AIR FORCE BASE, MT 590402


REPLY TO
ATTN OF: BO 3 July 1967


SUBJECT: UFO Observations, Malmstrom AFB Area


to: Colonel James C. Manatt (lettered TDET/UFO)
HQ Foreign Technology Division (AFSC)
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio 45433

1. Reference TDET/UFO letter dated 30 June 1967 on above subject.

2. This office has no knowledge of equipment malfunctions and abnormalities in equipment during the period of reported UFO sightings. No validity can be established to the statement that a classified government experiment was in progress or that military and civilian personnel were requested not to discuss what they had seen.

3. A written report on the events that transpired during the alleged UFO reported landing on 24 March 1967, fully documents all findings by the investigating officer. A copy of this report was forwarded to your office on 3 April 1967.

4. If we can be of further assistance to you, please do not hesitate to write.

FOR THE COMMANDER

LEWIS D. CHASE, Lt Colonel, USAF
Chief, Operations Division

www.nicap.org...


Another interesting note about Col. Lewis D. Chase is that his bomber was involved in another UFO incident.



www.wanttoknow.info...

On the evening of September 19, 1957 (or July 17, 1957 – there is some confusion on the date) Major Lewis D. Chase was piloting an RB-47 aircraft on a training mission that started out over the Gulf of Mexico near Louisiana then headed north. As the aircraft approached Jackson, Mississippi, Chase and other crew members saw a lighted object above them at 35,000 ft. They determined pretty quickly that the object was not an aircraft because it was emitting an intense electromagnetic signature on their equipment; similar in intensity to a ground based radar. As they turned to the west toward Texas, the object followed them.

When they contacted Air Defense Command ground control (GCI) at Ft. Worth, they confirmed that they had radar contact with both the object and his aircraft. As the RB-47 continued north toward Kansas, the object appeared at the 11 o’clock position of the aircraft. Suddenly the object started closing on them. As it approached it accelerated at high speed and passed directly in front of the RB-47. The object then stopped and hovered in mid-air about ten miles from the aircraft’s low 2 o’clock position.

www.youtube.com...

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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

I wanted to add that UFOs have been tracked in space as well, which has been confirmed by Ron Regehr in an email to me. He helped develop the DSP surveillance satellite and confirmed that his satellites detect UFOs in space and within earth's atmosphere.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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You have more than enough material to write up your own thread skyeagle. Ever thought about it?

The situation at Rendlesham regarding the "ordnance" is unclear. Larry Warren has long ago revealed Bentwaters held nuclear warheads. Pope, Halt, Burroughs and Penniston will not confirm to this day. Even though the former Defence Minister, Michael Portillo, confirmed this on UK TV recently talking about the incident!

Despite stories that the ordnance was compromised. A guy called Tim Eggercic was on duty in the weapons storage area on the "Halt Night" and claims at no time was there a threat to the ordnance there. He even told Colonel Halt that on a radio broadcast back in 2010.

Colonel John Alexander has also maintained (in a direct response to a question of mine) that




Most of the events happened off the base and there was no threat to the base or the weapons stored there.


Sources : Colonel Halt’s involvement



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: mirageman

I wanted to add that UFOs have been tracked in space as well, which has been confirmed by Ron Regehr in an email to me. He helped develop the DSP surveillance satellite and confirmed that his satellites detect UFOs in space and within earth's atmosphere.




UFOs by definition exist. The question has to be what are they?



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:17 AM
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You have more than enough material to write up your own thread skyeagle. Ever thought about it?


I have been thinking about it. There are tons of material that I have uncovered over the years, including reports from Project Mogul scientist reporting that they have been tracking flying saucers.

It is no secret that there is a government cover-up on UFOs and apparently, there are those who feel that the pubic is not ready for disclosure at this time and I think the Brookings Institute's 1960 report to NASA is one of the reasons why the government is reluctant at this time in revealing what it knows about UFOs.

In regards to UFOs in space, here is a bit on an incident in 1984 where a UFO approached earth and then, maneuvered within a few miles of a DSP satellite before heading back into space. Here is the specifics on what happened.



Fastwalker UFO

MAY 5, 1984, an alert was triggered at the North America Air Defense Command. Moving at 22,000 miles per hour, it was heading toward Earth and had been determined to NOT be incoming ballistic missiles, or any other type of conventionally explainable object. Once tracked, it was code-named "Fast Walker".

This object was first spotted by the ultra-sensitive orbiting USDSP satellites our county uses for detailed surveillance and air defense. These satellites have the infra-red capability to spot small heat sources on the surface of the earth and are time-proven as effective monitoring devices.

At 1400 hours zulu time, an object was spotted by a USDSP satellite and tracked as it sped first directly toward the Earth and passed if front and within 15 miles of the USDSP satellite. It suddenly and without impact or contact with other devices or obstructions curved outward, away from the Earth. It was tracked for another 9 minutes until it then disappeared.

www.digitalafterimage.com...

What the data resolved was that it was a hot, fast, solid object that swept in from outer space. This information would probably have been totally kept from public view, but it was leaked.

The statement was "Where it appeared in the (satellite's) sensor field would indicate that the object came into the sensor field from outer-space, went in front of the sensor, and left, departing back into deep space. It would indicate that it was some type of craft that had the ability to maneuver. And there you have hard evidence. You have telemetry from that satellite, you have information, you have systems, you have data that you can go back and investigate and check and verify. In the past, usually UFO events are of just eye-witness testimony... There you have a very sensitive defense system that sent you information to the ground. I don't even know if you can solve it... maybe it's one of those enigmas that's just gonna be with us forever. What type of craft would have that ability? Some people might say, 'A UFO'."


In 1976, two Iranian F-4 Phantoms were scrambled after UFOs were sighted within its airspace. The electronics of both aircraft were disabled in flight and returned to normal operation only after the aircraft turned away from the primary UFO. That incident was also captured by a DSP satellite.



he DSP Connection
An impressive breakthrough in the confirmation of the Iranian UFO encounter was uncovered by researchers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, of Aero-Jet in California. They confirmed that the UFO sighting over Tehran was, in fact, tracked by the United States military's DSP satellite.

During their investigations, Graham and Reghr have located computer print-outs from the time frame of the the Iranian UFO
overflight, which show that the DSP definitely detected an "anomalous object" in Iranian air space.




Apparently, Dr. Carl Sagan was made aware that the Air Force tracking UFOs in space that had nothing to do with celestial bodies, missiles, or satellites.



SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED
FLYING OBJECTS

HEARINGS
BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND ASTRONAUTICS

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NINETIETH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION


JULY 29, 1968

Dr. Sagan: "Apparently what is now happening is that the Air Force surveillance radar is throwing away the data that is of relevance for this inquiry. In other words, if it sees something that is not on a ballistic trajectory, or not in orbit, it ignores it, it throws it in the garbage."

"Well, that garbage is just the area of our interest. So if some method could be devised by the Air Force to save the output that they are throwing away from these space surveillance radars, it might be the least expensive way to significantly improve our information about these phenomena."




Iranian F-4 Phantom Jet Chase, Radar/Visual

After midnight. This radar/visual incident is particularly notable for the electromagnetic interference effects on aircraft near the UFO. Two F-4 jet interceptors independently lost instrumentation and communications as they approached, only to have these restored when they left.

One F-4 also lost its weapons systems when it was about to fire on the object. The incident is well-documented in a U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report with a distribution list that included the White House, Secretary of State, Joint Chiefs of Staff, National Security Agency (NSA), and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Various high ranking Iranian military officers directly involved with the events have also gone on public record stating their belief the object was an extraterrestrial craft.

Department of Defense Documents

www.nicap.org...

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www.nicap.org...


Ron Regehr, was the person who described to me, the shape of the UFO in the 1984 incident, which was an indication that more than one type of sensor was involved in tracking the craft. He described the UFO as shaped like a "bi-valve clam."



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:46 AM
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UFOs by definition exist. The question has to be what are they?


According to the U.S. Air Force, they are extraterrestrial crafts. This incident was underlined in Air Force documents as to the reality of UFOs as artificial crafts whose technology far exceeded anything known to mankind.



B-29 Radar Visual, Multiple Witness Observations

Just before dawn on December 6, 1952, on a bright moonlight night, a B-29 bomber of the US Air Force was cruising at the altitude of 18.000 feet above the Gulf of Mexico, 100 miles south of Louisiana, on a bearing which has not been disclosed.

Meanwhile, Captain Harter was studying his radarscope; he noted that forty miles behind the B-29, at the relative position of 6 o'clock, a group of five object was cutting the flightpath of the B-29, and turned as to follow the B-29 from behind. They were heading straight to the B-29 at fast speed, then slowed down when they were closing in on the B-29. The remained right there at the back of the B-29 for ten seconds.

Meanwhile, a larger blip had appeared on the radarscopes. This blip made a motionless half inch spot on the radarscopes, a size impossible to any known plane.

The group of five objects pacing the B-29 then turned, and started to accelerate. The entire crew saw on their radarscope that the group of five approached the huge motionless blip and seemed to merge into it. Now, only the large blip remained on the scope. In a moment, the huge blip took speed.

Coleman called Harter on the intercom and told him that he and Bailey clocked the huge blip. Coleman said: "You won't believe this. It was making over 9000 miles per hour."

www.ufoevidence.org...


There are those within, and outside government circles who wish to reveal ET to the world, but apparently, there are those on higher floors who wish to keep the status quo at this time for fear of the consequences should ET be introduced to the international community because once ET is revealed, there is no turning back the clock.

I guess you might say there is a fear within government circles on what the consequences could be should Pandora's Box be opened.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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Up until now I've largely avoided watching any prolonged or detailed reconstructions and I am kind of glad that I didn't. That was really interesting.

Thanks, mirageman, I'll need to chew on it a bit though.





posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:53 AM
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originally posted by: Anaana
a reply to: mirageman

Ah...good point about the Russian rocket...and the meteror, didn't have those in my mind when I replied to The Gut. I need to have a dig through my notes for something I mentioned on the Vampyr thread about mesospheric disturbance, or something like that.



I haven't been able to find the title of the book, or the post that in which I was sure that I mentioned the book (my attentions are deeply divided at the moment)...but, anyway, these bits from the section entitled "Radiophysical and Geomagnetic Effects of Rocket Burn", sub heading, "Cluster Diagnostics of Plasma Disturbances"


As mentioned in the previous chapters and as follows from numerous studies [1–11], in the present day, it can be taken into consideration that space vehicle (SV) launches and flights of rockets and spacecraft cause wave disturbances (WDs) in the ionosphere at distances greater than 2000 km [this is the distance between the Baikonur cosmodrome (Kazakhstan) and the observatory of Kharkov University located near Kharkov, Ukraine]. The authors of Refs. [1–11] carried out more than 40-year-long investigations into the ionospheric reaction on SV and rocket launches (RLs) and flights. For these purposes the whole gamut of radiophysical and magnetometric methods and techniques was used.

It is well known that radiophysical methods allow finding and studying of the WD electron concentration N. At the same time, for performance of the dynamic physical–mathematical model of the whole complex of processes caused by SV launches and flights, knowledge of spatiotemporal variations not only of N but also of other parameters of plasma is required. Complex diagnostics of the ionospheric plasma can be carried out using the results of incoherent scatter (IS) radar (ISR) measurement [12–15].

It is well known that the IS method allows determination of the parameters of ionospheric plasma such as concentration of electrons (ions; plasma is quasineutral), temperature of electrons and ions, velocity of movement of plasma, ion content of plasma, and so on, with sufficient height-temporal resolution and error. Using the major measured parameters of plasma, its secondary parameters can be derived that describe the dynamic processes in the medium. Collision frequencies of charged and neutral plasma components, ambipolar diffusion tensors, thermodiffusion, thermoconductivity, drift, plasma and heat flows, and so on are related to secondary parameters [16].



Thus, electron concentration changed from 2 106 × to 6 106 3 × − m , temperature from 105 to 5 4 105 . × K, solar wind pressure from 1 to 2.5 nPa, velocities from 300 to 550 km s−1, and magnitude of Akasofu’s function from 1 to 14 GJ s−1. Variations of proton density were insignificant. Conversely, the density of electron flow slowly increased according to the quasiperiodical process with a period of about 1 day. The component Bz was changed chaotically at the limits of ±5 nT. Variations of the Hp-component of the geomagnetic field were sufficiently ordered with the 1-day period. Magnitudes of the index Dst also fluctuated chaotically at the limits of ±10 nT. Variations of the index AE were insignificant. The day of the launch, May 25, 2004, was quiet. This fact allows identifying those disturbances easily, which were related to the RL.



We should add here that WDs caused by RLs were imposed on natural disturbances. This leads to amplification of the launch effect.



1. Large-scale quasiperiodical variations of the main parameters of plasma that were caused by RLs ranging in distances more than 2000 km from the cosmodrome were analyzed for the first time with the help of ISR. It is interesting to note that the effects of similar RLs, which registered at the background of the natural magnetic perturbation, were eventually stronger than those that occurred in nonperturbed conditions.

2. It was confirmed that there are two groups of velocities of the propagating WDs of about v′ 1 11 5 2 ≈ − − . kms and of v′ 2 1550 610 ≈ − − ms . To these velocities the SMHD and the IS waves correspond, respectively.

3. It was shown that launches from Baikonur cosmodrome cause disturbances of N, Te, and Ti with the absolute amplitudes of ( .0 8 4) 1011 3 − × − m and 50–100 K, respectively. The relative amplitudes of these disturbances achieved 0.1–0.25 and 0.05–0.08.

4. Oscillations of N, Te, and Ti in the general case phase-shifted relative to each other. Apparently, the phase-shifting differed during different observations.

5. It was confirmed that simultaneous usage of the “window” Fourier transform, wavelet transform, and the adaptive Fourier transform allows estimating the periods, amplitudes, and time duration of the wave packets (e.g., oscillation processes) in the ionospheric plasma more efficiently, as also the distribution of energy of the oscillations over periods.


I will add the book link as and when I recover it.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 07:57 AM
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According to the U.S. Air Force, they are extraterrestrial crafts. This incident was underlined in Air Force documents as to the reality of UFOs as artificial crafts whose technology far exceeded anything known to mankind.


That's a bit of a misnomer. I know certain individuals and elements of the USAF have claimed UFOs are extraterrestrial craft.

But the official position of the United States Air Force has since Bluebook closed always been that nothing they have studied has been found to be extra-terrestrial.





There was no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represented technological developments or principles beyond the range of modern scientific knowledge; and

.....There was no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as "unidentified" were extraterrestrial vehicles.


Source : United States Air Force Official Website


Now whether that's the truth or one big almighty lie involving thousands of people is open to debate. UFOs have always been real since cavemen pointed skywards at objects they did not understand. Many of them become IFOs as time passes. So far no known evidence in the public domain has ever confirmed, beyond reasonable doubt, that extra-terrestrial beings are controlling spacecraft in and around our atmosphere.

So, keeping this contained within the topic of the thread, the US DoD have not changed that stance. It is only the interpretation of John Burroughs that, in settling his injury claims, the DoD have admitted the UFO phenomenon is real.


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posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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I hope I haven't missed your point? But before you become too absorbed in the potential impact of rocket launches I think I better point out that the rocket booster falling to earth late in the evening of Christmas Day 1980 was from the Soviet Cosmos 749 (ELINT) Satellite. The satellite was launched back in 1975 and fell to earth in September 1980 before it's spent boosters. So we are only dealing with a 'space junk re-entry event' at around 9pm over England. Even though no trace of this rocket has been recovered as it is assumed to have fell into the North Sea.



Full Details : Journal of the British Astronomical Association

It was this particular event that I suspect may have triggered alerts at Woodbridge/Bentwaters that something (then thought to be an aircraft) had crashed into Rendlesham Forest. The small team that left base then became embroiled in a chain of events that went on for 3 nights. Had the rocket booster not came down in that place or time then I am postulating that the encounters with strange phenomena may never have happened.

However that does not explain what the USAF personnel did encounter.




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