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Are the dragons (draconians) fighting with the manchild (144,000) right now?

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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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Whether you consider yourself one of the 144,000 or not, whether they are only 144,000 and only males, or millions and also females, it is not that important to know. Whether it is only one dragon or thousands draconians/reptilians with evil agenda, we don't know. It is not clear also the author of the Revelation, and the rate of symbolism there. We may or may not have literal fulfillment right now.

Despite all of that, don't you have the feeling the evil forces attack at every opportunity those who are good ones, who might represent the better future of humanity, be they members of the above company or their friends, or included in the countless multitudes spoken of in the Revelation.

I think such a battle is ongoing and intensified in the last decade much more than in the previous ones. What we have now as enemy attacks on monthly and daily basis, from unimaginable before sources and people, is not comparable with what we had before 2001, or even a year ago. Perhaps I am wrong.




posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

The Alien Agenda is coming fullswing.


edit on pm20000002815Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:23:43 -0600 by AnuTyr because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: 2012newstart
I agree with your thread.
The reason for the battle is because the people is awakening from the long dream. News, media and governments had always tried to keep people on the low. The less information they get the better.
But people in these days are trying to gain more knowledge and that is the reason for the battle you are talking about.
Not only knowledge on the secret agendas, but from a spiritual level too.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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the attacks will increase in case we approach a "Disclosure event" with a rapture component in it, whatever form it might take (Elijah's chariot is my preferred one).

Let not forget that only after the manchild's rapture, the dragon(s) will be expelled entirely from the cosmos to earth. Actually, their attacks now ony show their weakness. The dragon is not stronger than the 144,000 and the countless multitudes who "overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony." (Rev. 12). By doing that, the dragon(s) and all their supporters "dig out their own grave" on planet earth. And because they know it, they will try to DECEIVE the 144,000 and the others who cannot be killed anymore, just before the rapture.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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They won't die because they will be turned into Living spirits. Or so the good book says.

Who wants to sign up for the living Poltergeist program?




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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: Abednego

thank you! Feel free to go out of the frames of the topic.

Whether the punishment of the evil ones will come in the form of a sneak nuclear attack by other evil ones, a week after the disclosure and the rapture, I don't know, could only guess. Whether volcanoes and asteroids will be engineered to strike by powers beyond our comprehension, who can tell that.

Apparently we are far from knowing everything, even as close as the asteroid/planet Ceres currently approached by NASA probe, where we can see LIGHTS on it.

We may not have literal fulfillment of the pages of Revelation, rather symbolic one. We never know when and how. We know we are in the process for already 2000 years.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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I want to go back into the dreamworld, reality actually sucks. Finding the truth in a society that really doesn't want the truth is kind of awkward. People want the truth when it benefits them but not when it interferes with their way of life.

I don't know about the 144000, that sounds kind of like something someone made up. I think the dragon thing was started long ago when the Chinese would not bend down and bow to Christianity or Judaism. I do believe a big war or major plague will thin our populations hitting those who are possessed by greed the worst. To me, greed is a disease, one where people's minds are compromised from consuming too much of a certain kind of food chemistry. What we eat controls how we think, all food has certain psychotropic properties and the exact interaction is dependent on our genetics most times.

So I do believe there may be some kind of beings refered to as angels, and a being that can be loosely called god. My only question is what these beings really are. That is what I am trying to investigate.

I have no clue why the number 144000 is there at all. If god wanted people he is not bound by a number. He makes the rules, he can change them too. The only thing that could not be changeable is a computer program where things are locked in.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

They (144,000) cannot die because they are destined to start the war in cosmos and to defeat dragon(s). Actually the dragons are afraid of them. So the only perspective left for the dragon is to "eat up" the manchild once he is born (not physically, but to achieve spiritual maturity probably). In other words, to deceive them that dragon's perspective for the world is better than God's plan.

To avoid that, and not so much the physical death of the elect ones, God provides the snap rapture just before the dragon would eat them up symbolically.

Other interpretations exist, as the dragon being Herod and the manchild - baby Jesus fleeing with mother Mary in the desert.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: Abednego

thank you! Feel free to go out of the frames of the topic.

Whether the punishment of the evil ones will come in the form of a sneak nuclear attack by other evil ones, a week after the disclosure and the rapture, I don't know, could only guess. Whether volcanoes and asteroids will be engineered to strike by powers beyond our comprehension, who can tell that.

Apparently we are far from knowing everything, even as close as the asteroid/planet Ceres currently approached by NASA probe, where we can see LIGHTS on it.

We may not have literal fulfillment of the pages of Revelation, rather symbolic one. We never know when and how. We know we are in the process for already 2000 years.
I wonder if the very close up images from Ceres will even be made public... It is defiantly going to be a game to watch.



We may not have literal fulfillment of the pages of Revelation
Knowing the enemies game plan is a advantage, but the rule book does not need to be followed. After all, its a very old book. Write a new one



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: AnuTyr

They (144,000) cannot die because they are destined to start the war in cosmos and to defeat dragon(s). Actually the dragons are afraid of them. So the only perspective left for the dragon is to "eat up" the manchild once he is born (not physically, but to achieve spiritual maturity probably). In other words, to deceive them that dragon's perspective for the world is better than God's plan.

To avoid that, and not so much the physical death of the elect ones, God provides the snap rapture just before the dragon would eat them up symbolically.

Other interpretations exist, as the dragon being Herod and the manchild - baby Jesus fleeing with mother Mary in the desert.
From the book there is a reoccurring theme of killing the newborn, first born. Kill them all to make sure you get, the one. Are we not seeing the destruction of the new born globally right now? Our young are being systematically attacked Check the statistics on Vaccines.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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The 144000 is the number of his people (Israel). There will be thousands from the gentiles (us or the rest of the world).

Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: All Seeing Eye

That depend on what they will see.
And even that they will show and tell whatever they think is "best for the knowledge of the people".

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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: All Seeing Eye

the problem is not the book is too old, the problem is it is too new. It dates back to 170y AD the earliest first pages 1,2. The antichrist's number in some re-writings was other...363? 664? Don't remember.

Let notice that time wasn't the time of printed books sold in Walmart, but of individually and manually re-typed papyri and prone to human error.

Specialists say it is written by another John. Pope Benedict called him "the author of Revelation" without elaboration. This way or that way, it is canonized by church councils and inseparable part of the New Testament. I accept it as such.

It doesn't mean literal fulfillment but symbolic, as many church fathers have pointed out back then. Sorry if my wording is vague enough for other interpretations to rise on top of my own. But don't care of my interpretation so much, please give yours on the topic, or on related issues!



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

revolations is vague in General.

Almost everything bad that could happen is listed in those pages. Making sure there were few options that could be missed.

You are right about it being to young tho, And the book is mass produced. Clearly intentional as to decieve the population.

Remeber, If everyone is preaching it. It's probably wrong.
Take the big bang for example.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: All Seeing Eye

although horrible, the killing of newborn (or abortion) is not the matter of discussion here. The manchild is grown up and mature when he is presented before God. If, as I assume, that includes 144,000 or more people, they symbolically are reborn and achieve spiritual maturity needed for their mission. I admit it might be wrong assumption, and manchild might be Jesus alone, with the rest 144,000 following on the Mt Zion. Shortly before the destruction of Babylon (Rev 14) and before the multitudes walking on the sea of glass mixed with fire (Rev 15). That is a consequences I advice everyone to learn by heart and reflect on it. Although we still don't have the other elements, such as mandatory chipping/other mark of the beast. There are clearly 3 groups of saved people, apart of the martyrs, spoken of in Rev 14 and 15. Don't give up your place in earlier group even if you think it is someone else's job. The later groups will have more trouble, such as to resist the general temptation of the mark of beast. Whether we have Jewish origin some of us, nobody knows but God alone. I will not speak of sexes here because it is not my specialty.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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Are the dragons (draconians) fighting with the manchild (144,000) right now?
Topic? Admittedly Ceres is off topic, but in a long linage of information, it is relevant. It is rumored that Ceres is a Remanent of a ancient Reptilian war. But then again it might also be enemy propaganda. As so too might be propaganda about the great floods.. Claimed by the enemy, or reptilian, of the free spirit.

But non the less it is felt at least by myself, mankind is under attack. The children are being targeted, that much is true.
My opinion.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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Just remind me again, what is the manchild, and arent dragons mythical beasts?



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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Yes yes they are lol.

And my interpritation of the Man-Child is the world wide belief if a *Savior* type messiah like character who would basically absolve us of our *Wicked ways* and enact Justice.

Along with the Judeo viewpoint of 144,000 from their lost tribes of Jews will become immortal spirit like entities that will destroy the evil from beyond this Earth that happens to hunker down, Via Landing.

The bible describes it as Satan being cast down to reign on the Earth. Basically in reality. The only thing that can fit this description is an Alien invasion.

God is also described as an Alien, So we will have Aliens fighting other Aliens. With the Good aliens wanting humans to become like them, and the bad aliens wanting humans to be totally destroyed. That's my take on it anyways.

I can't really picture anything else lol.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:32 PM
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I think the entirety of the human population is the*Tribe*.

There's no select people on this planet. and 144,000 isn't a whole lot.

Kinda leaves out everyone else. I think its blasphemous in my oppinion. And i think it was developed as to maintain worship of their own god Jehova Yahweh.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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144 000 is an oddly specific number. I still dont quite see what the dragons have to do with it though? are they the aliens?




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