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Loss of Christianity induced morality is destroying America

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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:26 AM
I am not religious, but I find myself defending the Judeo-Christian values that once made our country great. I certainly don't want to live in a theocracy, but that doesn't mean the values of hard work, helping your neighbor and treating others with respect should be purged from our national psyche.

You can simply look at the rude, hateful responses to your OP to see how far we have fallen as a nation. You definitely ruffled dome feathers. Well done.
edit on 2015/2/27 by Metallicus because: sp

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:35 AM

originally posted by: lambs to lions
a reply to: mOjOm

That's a very fair point. In your opinion then, where do you think this country is headed in the future? Religion will continue to be diminished. How do you envision the human race free of religion? It's interesting to ponder.

I don't know if we'll ever be free of Religion totally. I think it will most likely change as time goes on and then new forms and new Religions will pop up and disappear too. But I think it will always be around in some form because it provides meaning for people and provides answers for questions that we may not have answers for just yet from other sources.

There is another property of faith, of any kind, that is actually helpful sometimes. There are times in life when finding the ability to push forward against great odds might seem impossible or not worth the effort or too much of a burden. Finding some way of putting that burden on someone or something else, even if it's an entity of faith rather than an actual physical person, provides that for you. Being able to drop your baggage and move forward is needed sometimes but if you won't release the weight that keeps you from moving you're stuck. That is what Faith can provide. Why do you think it's so important that "Jesus" is known to "Forgive". He is also the "Light" when you are in Darkness. He is the Strength when you are weak. Etc...

Sometimes people will just sit and rot because of the burden and baggage they hold onto and simply need some way to drop it so they can continue living.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:51 AM
"Christian" values? Why don't we just call them "human" values? Christianity nor any other religion have been the harbinger of morals... ever. The Inquisitions and Crusades are both examples of what "Christian" values have brought to the world, intolerance of gay people is another. There are other examples from other religions as well, but the topic here is Christianity so I'll stick to it for now.

Religion doesn't have sole possession of morals, WE do. We are not religion, we are human beings with a moral compass ingrained into us naturally. If anything, religion has taught us to think of ourselves as better than others and that others that aren't part of your "group" or "tribe" don't deserve respect or consideration. It has even taught us that others suffering is a-ok, as long as we're in heaven we're good and that's all that matters, let's not think of those morally good people burning for eternity, they deserve it because they believed and thought differently than us.

Belief in a supreme being has absolutely nothing to do with morals. Animals don't have belief in a supreme being yet I have seen pets that won't hurt a fly and even show signs of grief from hurting other things. Let's be real here, Christianity doesn't have a choke hold on anything and everything dealing with morals, if anything it has had the opposite effect on people. Is it moral to be ok with someone being tortured? How about for eternity? Didn't think so.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:56 AM
Separation of church and state ring a bell? All morality laws are unconstitutional. Some laws have nothing to do with morality... separating moral law from ethical law is important to remove bias, extreme, and discrimination... the very things that citizens judge each other by that create dischord in society. Is making laws or heavily enforcing them, going to do anything positive? Look at prohibition of cannabis for example... a lot of good damning it immoral and not for adult use has done hasn't it?

It's really a plea from political pundits that push morality for votes, but do not follow them themselves. It's a plea to save a political party an excuse to keep treating adults like children, because the refuse to grow as a party. In order to grow, we must move forward and progress... if not? we regress and become stagnate... time moves forward, we grow and the world has to grow with us, we can try to ideologically... make time stand still, and think that will move us forward but it won't.

As a species we learn due to adaptation to adversity, this is evolution at it's finest... the mind's. Whenever you are given a problem, and you try, try, and try til you solve it... your mind evolved. Give up or try not to think? Guess what... the brain stagnates it doesn't grow, it becomes robotic without any challenging purpose... and the world stays black and white... we live in a world of color. Those living with their eyes closed, are in the black, pass a light in front of those closed eyes, the world becomes white. Try opening them and experience color beyond the ideological box. We are smart enough to solve all of this silly nonsense ideologies and greed have gotten us in.

Here's the human chain of "Authority"

As a parent you have authority over your child because you are the adult

as an Adult the police have authority over you

as the police the government

as the government the UN

the UN well thats all of the partner countries combined

If we remove power from the adult they become children, so our authority over our children disappear... because we have taken their spot. So now as children the police become the parent, uh oh adult we dont want that in your body or you watching that... while the government becomes the police making things into a police state, and government becomes the UN. This is the goal of many for a unified world but it doesn't have to be done that way... it is being done by force, fanning hate and war by those holding the most economic power.

Our 1% involved in this is no different than a socialist dictatorship, that refuses to disperse the power = money equally among the people. In that system, eventually we all will be all under one authority... the same one that uses us as slaves to get there, making us think it is our own doing. The people that set this up? Long dead do the people in power know this? Or are they just towing a line out of ignorance but have no idea where it's heading?

In either case? Open your eyes... it doesn't have to be done by force and greed, it can be done with goodwill and education... we will eventually get there... but does it have to be by accomplished on the dark side? Where very few are happy? Where very few have any control over what they can do with themselves? Humanity can't be this damn stupid can it?

If it is? May what you all cling too have mercy on your souls... before entering your next life.
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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:01 AM
Maybe people see the hypocrisy in religion and also their leaders. As for the ten commandments I don't think you need them. The years between Adam and Moses is about 2500. That is a long time without the commandments so what did they do before that. Then Moses gets the ten commandments (thou shall not kill) then sees them worshipping the golden calf then he has 3000 killed. Where are the morals there? And to truly believe in the good book you can't believe in gay rights.
It says it in both old and new testament that it is bad.

There is going to be good and bad people everywhere we just see more of it because of TV. I think we are more tolerant today than days past but the family dynamic is broken. The advent of the feminist movement has changed things. Men didn't know what role to play and felt disposable for the longest time and probably still do. That is why you had the metrosexual fad. Men now don't care about marriage and want to do their own thing and today the feminist movement has lost its way. Also more people think they are getting screwed over by the government today than they have before. It is a combination of factors that is going on not just one particular one. Is it going to get fixed who knows. It might get worse before it gets better.

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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:19 AM
The values this country was founded upon, as evinced in the Declaration and the Constitution, were not Christian values but rather those of the Enlightenment:

The ultimate political power rests in the People. (Preamble, Bill of Rights)


"Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right." (1 Peter 2: 13-14)

All people are created equal. (Declaration)


"For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." (1 Corinthians 11:8-9)

Freedom of Religion (Bill of Rights)


"It is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’" (Matthew 4:10)

Freedom of Speech (Bill of Rights)


I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:36-37)

and so on.

America was not founded as a Christian nation. Period
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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:23 AM
a reply to: Gryphon66

Damn you're good!!!

Sometimes I'd just love to shake your paw!!!

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:28 AM
a reply to: Gryphon66

Let's not forget this either:

Romans 13
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.

Those in authority are God's servants, meaning everyone in the government right now is doing the will of God. At least according to the bible and Christianity. Those politicians being bribed by billionaires? We have to submit to their authority and what they pass as law is God's will. So governments are upholding "Christian" values by default. At least according to the bible and Christianity.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:33 AM
Christianity to save the day, eh?

Let's take a look:

Slaveholding Presidents
- GEORGE WASHINGTON (between 250-350 slaves)
- THOMAS JEFFERSON (about 200)
- JAMES MADISON (more than 100)
- JAMES MONROE (about 75)
- ANDREW JACKSON (fewer than 200)
- Martin Van Buren (one)
- William Henry Harrison (eleven)
- JOHN TYLER (about 70)
- JAMES POLK (about 25)
- ZACHARY TAYLOR (fewer than 150)
- Andrew Johnson (probably eight)
- Ulysses S. Grant (probably five)

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:36 AM
a reply to: lambs to lions

I entirely disagree with your two assertions that;
a. Morality was higher/better in previous generations.
b. That the demise of Christianity is responsible for the degradation of morality.

It was because of Christianity that it was legal to rape and beat your wife until 1992 in the UK.

It was because of Christianity that we dared not question our so called superiors (their authority was god given after all).

It was because the Catholic church became excessively greedy (e.g. charging for absolution) that the protestant church exists at all.

If anything, the demise of Christianity has helped improve morality....Christianity only began to lose its grip as more and more of the population were able to read for themselves and draw their own conclusions rather than taking the priest's word for it. Without using Christianity as a moral crutch, pointing at the bible to justify questionable actions/opinions, people have to stand on their own principled legs.

Forgetting Christianity's role - just question whether the morality of the past really was superior to the morality of today?
Just a few examples from the recent past;

Eugenics programmes running in the US from the 1920's to the 1970's.
Slavery (bonded labour is making a comeback)
Abuse of children by the catholic church
Subjugation of women (and men without land)
Removing children from their families and sending them to the four corners of the world (UK - until the 1970's)

Its not so much that morality is in demise but rather we are much more informed about the antics of our ruling elite and our peers than we have been in the history of humankind. Rose tinted glasses facing the past should be smashed to smithereens.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:55 AM

originally posted by: Metallicus
I am not religious, but I find myself defending the Judeo-Christian values that once made our country great.

Please give me a date or time frame when the U.S. truly followed any of Christ's teachings

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 02:12 AM
Perhaps this thread is a simple case of "looking at the past through rose-coloured glasses" ?

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:29 AM

originally posted by: lambs to lions
a reply to: Tangerine

You are right, they did create a secular government and rightly so. I'm simply stating that I believe their personal beliefs were important in that the kind of men they were was of huge importance. As for the Scandanavian countries? I don't know enough to speak on them. Perhaps the sheer size and scope of the power in the US has a lot to do with it

Well, let's see: Jefferson had slaves and cheated on his wife. Franklin was a member of the Hellfire Society and the remains of numerous people have been discovered under his home in London. I could go on but you get the picture.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:30 AM

originally posted by: lambs to lions
a reply to: lonesomerimbaud

No, whether it be Christianity or any other benevolent religion or philosophy. I think the lack of those ideals and true personal conviction is killing this country.

Who gets to decide which religion or philosophy becomes the law of the land? Or were you proposing that it just become the suggestion of the land?

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:31 AM

originally posted by: lambs to lions
a reply to: Tangerine

Geez, once again I'm not talking about a theocracy. I'm talking about a country founded by men with integrity, who many happened to believe in a supreme being.
Now, immorality had run rampant in our government to the point where no man can be trusted. I think there is a correlation between this and a lack of true religion.

It could be any religion, or set of ideals. Men these days don't seem to live by any code except 'do as thou wilt'

Maybe men are the problem. ?

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:32 AM

originally posted by: rickymouse
I agree with the OP on this one. If we would have kept promoting the good parts of Christianity and weeded out the ones doing the deceiving and the power hungry people in the churches, our country would be a lot better off than it is right now.

I can see the writing on the wall. You actually do not need to be religious to follow a truthful and honest path. But religion is better than what it is turning out today, deceit has gone wild. Most of our government runs on deceit and twisting numbers to make things look better than they actually are..

Which were the good parts? Which parts should we leave out? Put together a short list.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:33 AM
a reply to: Metallicus

The sole use of the term 'Judeo-Christian' can lead to various interpretations.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:33 AM

originally posted by: lambs to lions
a reply to: Deaf Alien

How is morality common sense? Self serving and hoarding of wealth and resources is common sense. Not caring what happens to my neighbor because it doesn't affect me is common sense. How is that moral?

Not understanding that it does affect you isn't common sense.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:36 AM
a reply to: karl 12

Clark was a great writer. I would love to see where "religion high-jacked morality" . An Example please...

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 03:37 AM

originally posted by: lambs to lions
a reply to: rickymouse

Well said. People have grown up in a sense, accepted differences. That has positively impacted humanity. I wonder though, what will we become once greed and hedonism completely takes over. The line between what is acceptable in society is blurred. Divorce is up. Adultery. Violent crime. Materialism. Rampant consumerism. It will all come crashing down. Not to mention the crazies in the ME that have gone the completely opposite direction.

Those crazies are religious. Do you think bad, abusive or unfulfilling marriages are preferable to divorce? Perhaps the answer to that one is discouraging marriage in the first place. That would certainly lessen adultery and divorce.

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