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Loss of Christianity induced morality is destroying America

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posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 02:08 PM
a reply to: dawnstar

got to love our gov't!!

reckon how much trouble I'd get into if I posted a job wanted ad on craigslist for an under the table job?

posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 06:05 PM

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Seamrog

overly relying on your husband seems to be just as ridiculous which is my point!!

and by the way that life insurance payment could dwindle rather fast because of the medical bills depending on how someone dies!!

Your point is well taken that the Christian value of the wife submitting to her husband and not securing her own future financially if it is against his wishes is foolish.

posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 08:41 PM
a reply to: Tangerine

Women are chaff? Beat them with thine staff? Rule them with a rod of iron? Chaff is what gets discarded after harvest. Extremism knows no bounds... when placing limits on those not drawing any line at all.

posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 08:46 PM

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Tangerine

Women are chaff? Beat them with thine staff? Rule them with a rod of iron? Chaff is what gets discarded after harvest. Extremism knows no bounds... when placing limits on those not drawing any line at all.

I didn't use the word chaff. Your post makes no sense.

posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 04:50 AM
The OP claimed in response to my first post, which pointed out that the US was founded with the institution of slavery, that it was Christian values that ended slavery. I then responded by citing various verses of the Bible that endorsed and ratified slavery, and made the point that it was the humanistic values that gained measure during the Enlightenment, which were the basis or the ending of slavery.

Unsurprisingly the OP did not respond to my post that showed the mendacity and falseness of his/her reply. Am I surprised? Heck no. That is how blowhard, self-righteous X-stians roll. They make their specious arguments by baring false witness --a mortal sin in their religion -- and then when confronted by facts, including passages from their own odious and unholy book, The Bible, and having it pointed out that they bore false witness, refuse to engage any further in a conversation on the matter. Not only are they liars, they are cowards when confronted with the truth, and act like ostriches by sticking their heads in the sand, hoping that their intellectual betters who deal in actual facts and refute their moralistic drivel will go away and leave them alone. Well no more. I will no longer stand for the lies and hypocrisy of self-righteous Christians.

When I come upon threads with religious BS premises like the one here, I will call them out and show them to be false and pernicious.

edit on 12-3-2015 by MrInquisitive because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 08:25 AM
a reply to: MrInquisitive

if you read some of the other "gospels" that didn't make it into the Bible you will also read where the disciples where being driven out of the town because the men were afraid that their wives would desert them to follow the disciples. Could it be that the early followers quickly learned that if the seed that was planted was to grow past infancy that they would have to bend a little on some convictions? I don't know but that if how I choose to read such things.

And another interesting point worth bringing up would be that a slave owner would have to invest in his slaves and since he had money invested in them he was more likely to make sure that those he found useful were taken care of just like you would take care of that car you drive probably.. and the bible does say to treat you slaves kindly doesn't it??

Is today's system really much better where even the christians seem to think that it's perfectly okay to work their employees and then send them home with a paycheck that is so crappy that they can't even keep a roof over their head and food on the table without assistance from the gov't or charities??

I am more concerned with just what direction we seem to be going in now which does seem to be in a backward motion.

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 10:35 AM
Christianity is the problem, not the solution. Adults taking mythology for actual history is stupid. Christian morality is a myth too. Inquisition, pedophilia, greed and corruption is the legacy of Christianity. Not morality.

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 10:38 AM
a reply to: lambs to lions
Christianity was not the founding fathers religion and morals have no dependence on Christianity. It's more of a problem than a solution. Read a book.

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 10:39 AM
a reply to: lambs to lions

You could've gone a step further and said it's the loss of Protestant values.

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 12:09 PM
children need a parental figure to learn the basic rights and wrongs...but hopefully in time and guidance from those parents they develop empathy, common sense, and a desire to be likes, appreciated, respected and those parents role changes...
to say that we need that parental figure in the form of a God into our adulthood is like saying we will always be children, unable to develop those traits.
Do you choose not steal because an ancient book or God tells you not to, or is there a little more going on in that decision? ya know, it's against the law, it harms another person, fear of retribution from the one you stole from, the desire not to have your stuff stolen, ect.
it's interesting to note that in our present world, it's those cultures that are having their morality forced on them through church/state power that seem to be the most brutal. and if you look through history, it does seem that the more we run on an a "God says" mentality, the more brutal the society seems to be. I think that if we take that avenue, we stop at that, God says...and well we never go any further to figure out why it's advantageous for all of us to act a certain way.
Do we want to be children, or do we want to grow up?

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 01:00 PM

originally posted by: dawnstar

Do you choose not steal because an ancient book or God tells you not to, or is there a little more going on in that decision?

Having been Christian, then atheist --- I have to say it was an epiphany when I realized I hadn't been living life for myself.

I had been living a life of judgement/approval and end reward, from an imaginary being.

As an atheist I took on personal responsibility of how my actions and decisions affected humanity.

I choose the latter.

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 03:48 PM
I have to agree with the OP. I'm not at all religious -- possibly anti-religious even-- but that's because religion itself has become immoral. That's why I agree with the OP that lack of morality is destroying this country.

If the so-called Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus and brought overwhelming love, empathy, and forgiveness to the issues we face, we might actually have a chance. I think that's why Christianity is so despised at this point. It's false. Like the OP says... 9 out of 10 are imposters. That's a huge problem. There couldn't be a war between Muslims and Christians, if Christians actually followed the teachings of Christ. Christians should be anti-war at every turn--- so, where are these so-called Christians?

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 03:50 PM
a reply to: lambs to lions

Morality once enforced by churches is now what our nation call laws, to protect citizens.

posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 09:34 PM
I think morality goes beyond our laws really. There is no law that says I have to be kind to others, or that I should help the little old lady carry her groceries home. that's my morality. and for those who claim that religion covers it, well, it's possible for morality to go beyond those christian values also.

posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 06:30 AM
I do not see any religion as being needed to induce morality,to "keep things in check" I feel this planet would be vastly better off without religion. Morality to me,is about self-respect,and really just the desire to harm none,ever,so also respect for other's lives. Well as far as humanly possible,nowadays it's hardly possible to open one's mouth without offending someone,somewhere.

But yes there has a drastic moral decline,not just in America,pretty much everywhere,i'd say. Take pornography for instance-do you Really need a religion,Christianity or any other religion,to know that to show off your genitals to any Tom Dick+Harry,cheapens you as a person? That to do things like steal,lie,cheat,commit adultery etc is shoddy,shoddy behavior,and that it detracts from yourself,even at a subconscious level,no matter the excuses you tell yourself to make it okay? ? And that to rape and murder makes you worse than a poisonous snake?

I've been thinking a lot about the general moral decline of this race,humanity,and the reasons for it,i'm afraid it cannot be pinned down to one or 2 things,there's many factors at play,and a proper answer would take me a long time to think out and write,but i would say that to me it seems first and foremost,that people have lost respect for themselves. Especially the youth. Perhaps that is an important key to this moral decline.

This planet needs "religion' like a fish needs a bicycle,it is imo,nothing but a control and divisionary system. Which is working fabulously,as is painfully obvious.

Another thing to add,although i admit that there Has been a big moral decline,globally,do just bear in mind that as a species the human race has never exactly been a collective beacon of goodness and virtue,since caveman days.

posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 07:00 AM
I agree with you OP and as could be predicted those who hate religion had to jump in to point out the historical evils committed by religion. Yet there can be no denying ethical behavior is at an all-time low. It's apparent in crime rates, divorce rates, the rise of depression and suicide among the young. It leads to broken marriages, broken homes and increases our mistrust of our fellow man. Morality is just the religious name for ethics and the ethics espoused by Jesus have been a blessing to mankind (by putting the kindness in to mankind).

Having been raised a Christian but rejecting the church in my teen years I have seen both sides of the issue. I did a good deal of work during the 1980's watching the televangelists and alerting people to the dangers of a theocracy. It seemed a very real possibility back then. I suppose that was kind of the last gasp of Christianity trying to retain political control over the country.

I have liberal views like yourself OP, abortion is a woman's choice, gay is a personal choice, etc - I truly believe in freedom but freedom is about the individual and we are a social species. At some juncture we have need to rejoin with our fellow humans and be connected. The church fulfills that need for many.

People forget that much of the greatest art and architecture in the West was the fault of Christianity. Sorry about building all those cathedrals folks! I apologize for Rembrandt and all his fairy tale pictures. The church did much more than just proselytize Native American tribes and steal their children to educate their heritage out of them. More than just ban liquor for a decade and kept women from voting.

It was the church that allowed Dr. Martin Luther King jr. speak truth to power and bring about the end of segregation and Jim Crow. Don't forget that people. That was a mere 50 years ago so to say religion and the church are archaic and irrelevant is a tad premature. We haven't developed so far as a species yet that we interact in harmony with each other and have no need for guidance in the form of morals. It is the lack of it that has destroyed our way of governance, it is the lack of it that is destroying our inner cities.

Until all humans are inborn with instincts that work to the benefit of all morality, ethics and religion will still have their place in our society.

posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 07:07 AM
a reply to: Asktheanimals


Additionally, all one has to do is observe our television shows to see what our society values. Need I say more?

posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 02:20 PM
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

It hurts to watch tv anymore.
They really do push depravity at every turn.
I grew up with shows like Andy Griffith and Bonanza.
They were entertaining (still are 50 years later) and often there was some theme about how to treat our fellow man.
Bonanza even did an episode about the treatment of Chinese labor - they were way ahead of their time.
Now it's gratuitous sex, violence, car chases and explosions.
Story lines? Character development? Not much of those anymore.
There are a few new shows that are decent but there are way too many crime/drama series.

And thank you!

edit on 9-1-2016 by Asktheanimals because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 10:33 AM
Christians are in general and/or in private ignorant,exclusivist,elitist,fear mongering, hateful of anyone who doesn't agree with them and admittedly do good things because they want to go to heaven. What about people who aren't religious who make other people's lives better out of pure love. If you think doing what a church tells you to do will get you to heaven then your just in it for personal gain. Independent studious christians who know scripture are my type of Christian. I'm a Gnostic, all religions contain wisdom. But the public show off christians get me steemed. I heard a televangelist the other day complaining about Jesus being portrayed on South Park and I thought, I'm glad he's mad. I think that's the point. It's hilarious how much christians complain, just stop. Live and let live. Or if you want to get biblical, love God with all your heart, and love your neighbors as you love yourself. That's straight from the mouth of Jesus. That's all you have to do. Simple, so why all the complaining, God's in charge so don't worry about what other people do.

posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 10:38 AM
a reply to: dawnstar
That was just Paul, not the Apostles. Paul was teaching contrary and in addition to Jesus and was a liar from the get go. Even Jesus says it, It takes some explaining, but Saul the Pharisee was an apostle of Saul the Pharisee, there can only be 12 Apostles. The book your talking about is Paul and Thecla right?

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