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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: dawnstar
You can take that point, stick it under an electron microscope and magnify it to your hearts content.
In my 65 years, I have never seen a family in North America operate like that. EVER.
I guess modern Christians cherry pick their beliefs as much as I do.
There was a time when that basis probably made sense. Not now, that's for sure.
If you want to condemn Christianity on that basis. Go for it....
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Tangerine
I flat out don't believe you. I'm sure you've never hung out with fundamentalists in your life. I have a daughter and a grand daughter. I assure you, if anyone tried to oppress those two, they'd be dealing with me.
I'd suggest you and dawnstar spend some time addressing Honor killings amongst the Sikhs-in B.C.- and the Muslims, elsewhere with their oppression of women AND honor killings.
Rather than some archaic interpretation of Christianity.
It's pretty obvious that you look for anything possible to magnify and vent hyperbolic in your anti-religious views.
It gets no traction with me.
How about 50 shades of Grey?..... There's your modern and hugely popular degradation, for you...LOL
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Tangerine
I flat out don't believe you. I'm sure you've never hung out with fundamentalists in your life. I have a daughter and a grand daughter. I assure you, if anyone tried to oppress those two, they'd be dealing with me.
I'd suggest you and dawnstar spend some time addressing Honor killings amongst the Sikhs-in B.C.- and the Muslims, elsewhere with their oppression of women AND honor killings.
Rather than some archaic interpretation of Christianity.
It's pretty obvious that you look for anything possible to magnify and vent hyperbolic in your anti-religious views.
It gets no traction with me.
How about 50 shades of Grey?..... There's your modern and hugely popular degradation, for you...LOL
I flat out don't believe you. I'm sure you've never hung out with fundamentalists in your life. I have a daughter and a grand daughter. I assure you, if anyone tried to oppress those two, they'd be dealing with me.
Leadership in the Home - A Godly Man Leads
As we saw yesterday, a husband is called to lead his wife. Though this is an unpopular statement in this day and in this culture, it is one that Christians must affirm.
“For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior” (Ephesians 5:23).
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: nwtrucker
I attended a nice pentecostal church in texas for over 5 years!!
and I am only mentioning it here because if the dear christians were to believe their own doctrines that is preached from the pulpits of most churches I do believe they would know that preaching to a married about to be abstinant would be encouraging that women to break the commandments of god! They should be preaching the abstinance to the men!!!!
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Tangerine
how many times have you read
"Well if she doesn't want kids she shouldn't be having sex." and see how many of those saying it are promoting the christian beliefs.
there's probably just as many wives and mothers using birth control as they are free spirited young ladies who are out to have a good time!! And there is no birth control method that is 100% effective so I imagine that some of these women do conceive when their methods fail and in some of those cases they opt for abortion for various reasons that might range from they just don't want to be bothered by it to they are afraid that another pregnancy might cause them physical harm.
or "Well she should have planned better."
a baptist minister when asked just what was meant in their doctrine by:
"A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ. She, being in the image of God as is her husband and thus equal to him, has the God-given responsibility to respect her husband and to serve as his helper in managing the household and nurturing the next generation... Children, from the moment of conception, are a blessing and heritage from the Lord. Parents are to demonstrate to their children God's pattern for marriage."
www.sbc.net...
replied something like:
Well that means that if the husband doesn't want her to hold a job then she shouldn't!"
okay so as they strive to keep her in the home (unless of course her husband wants her to work) and convince her to allow him to have the final say in everything
Just how in heaven's name can she be held responsible when those plans just don't pan out???
of course my favorite story is from yahoo message boards from long ago on one of the threads that concerned domestic violence and christianity. one of the promise keepers came on and was blasting away at the abused wives trying to convince them that if they only work harder at pleasing their husband they wouldn't be getting hit so much. One of the victims was claiming to actually be a minister's wife. I said something like well according to the bible if the husband told to wife to some to him in order for her to be obedient she would have to actually walk to him and when she knew danged well that she was certain to be beaten if she did and that well I doubt that many men would have that kind of faith or obedience themselves. So the conversation continued a few more days and then I caught one of the christian wives who were trying to convince these women that obedience was the answer say something like:
Oh my husband will be home soon!! I need to get off the forum! He doesn't want me on it!!!
This lady was on there trying to convince abused women that they should just trust in god and be obedient to their husbands and god would save their marriage! but then she couldn't even be obedient about not going onto a forum!!
ya I agree most marriages don't follow that part of the doctrine but some sure do preach it to the darnedest people!!
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: dawnstar
You can take that point, stick it under an electron microscope and magnify it to your hearts content.
In my 65 years, I have never seen a family in North America operate like that. EVER.
I guess modern Christians cherry pick their beliefs as much as I do.
There was a time when that basis probably made sense. Not now, that's for sure.
If you want to condemn Christianity on that basis. Go for it....
If you've never known a family in which the husband is a dictator who justifies that by citing Christianity/the Bible and a woman who is her husband's subservient doormat who justifies that by citing Christianity/the Bible, you really haven't been paying attention. Hang out with fundamentalists for awhile. You'll see plenty.
there are just as many women who freak out over there men being on face book or whatever site they think might lead their spouse to cheat.
originally posted by: Entreri06
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: dawnstar
The real problem in my opinion is the fact that people stay in abusive relationships. If both sexes left a relationship the first time some one crossed the line. Evolution would breed that trait out of us within a couple generations. It's the fact people stay that's the problem. Which, I think, is worsened by the what we treat abused women.
The first time she is abused, she should be pampered and given all the help to leave the relationship we can muster. However it's the babying and extra attention we give those that stay that continues feeding into the cycle of violence. Some people only get that kind of attention by playing the DV game. Normally no one cares, but whenever they are abused they become the center of attention and people treat them like a pretty pretty princess.
Your post suggests some serious misunderstanding and victim blaming. It really doesn't deserve a lengthy response.
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Tangerine
It's interesting that you managed to turn that around and slam women. Hmmm.
I think you misread my post. It's THEM slamming women, not me. I was replying to that guy who doesn't believe that there are Christian men who oppress women.