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Is geoengineering research going outdoors?

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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 04:30 PM

Geoengineering research has so far been confined to modelling and laboratory studies. Serious research outside of these limits has been a taboo because of the serious risks this may pose for ecosystems and society. However, two recent publications are breaking the ice and bringing the discussion of field experiments into the limelight of the scientific community.

Field experiments
A group of atmospheric scientists have recently proposed nine field experiments to test solar geoengineering methods [2]. They divided ideas into those that aim at understanding the effectiveness and risks of geoengineering and those aimed at developing technologies needed for the deployment of geoengineering. Furthermore, the scientists made a clear distinction between experiments seeking to understand small-scale atmospheric processes like chemical reactions on the surface of artificially injected particles and those targeting large-scale climate responses, e.g. a decrease in global average temperature. The impact of large-scale experiments cannot be simply extrapolated from small-scale ones. However, large-scale experiments would only be performed in cases where numerous prior small-scale tests proved successful with only negligible environmental risks – which might be too late to avoid some of the negative consequences of global warming.
Strato cruiser
The proposed experimental design of a small-scale stratospheric sulphur (and water) injection field test (source: [3])
Of the proposed experiments, a small field test called the stratospheric controlled perturbation experiment (SCoPEx) is at the most advanced planning stage [3]. A Harvard research group designed the experiment to better quantify a side-effect of stratospheric sulphur injections: ozone depletion. A decrease in stratospheric ozone levels can increase the risk of skin cancer, which could be even more disruptive for society than the greenhouse gas-driven warming of the planet. A sudden decrease in ozone concentrations during SCoPEx would probably kill the idea of stratospheric sulphur geoengineering. As illustrated in the figure, the experiment is comprised of a balloon with a module carrying an aerosol generator, observational instruments, and an engine. The module both injects and monitors the aerosol plume. The experiment is expected to emit less sulphur and water than an intercontinental flight between Europe and the US. The researchers estimate the total costs of the field experiment to be around USD 10 million.

With all the discussion on this topic obscured by the chemtrail nuttiness, It's paramount that everyone remembers that there is another side to this debate. The unfortunate lumping of the two topics only hurts the long term discussions of this (IMHO).

I can only hope that enough people fully understand the topic, and find a venue to voice their concerns. I cannot stress enough that chemtrails are a separate topic and if they are compounded with this type of discussion, we might have a reality of these things happening.

Now, would this experiment harm the Earth? Maybe not, and it may be a real good idea to test the theory and measure the affects. But honest and open discussion should take place. The Public should understand all the aspects of this type of scientific work. If it's done covertly, it can only fuel paranoia.

If you are a chemtrail believer, please start your own thread as this isn't about them at all. Thanks.

posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 04:37 PM
Remember the SPICE experiment that got canned last year -geoeningeering research will certainly go "outdoors" at some point.

One of the major questions at geoengineering conferences these days is whether it will be a lawless free-for-all or will be controlled by some regulation.

posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 04:41 PM
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Remember the Iron ocean fertilization project?

The controversy is likely to grow, as the project may have broken two international moratoria on ocean fertilization, the United Nations' convention on biological diversity and the London convention, which found large-scale experiments in ocean fertilization unjustified. [10 Climate Myths Busted]

George has attempted ocean-fertilization projects before, most notably in 2007, when his plan to dump iron near the Galapagos Islands drew fire from researchers and helped trigger the United Nations moratoria against such experiments.

George did not respond directly to queries from LiveScience, but said that the corporation will hold a news conference tomorrow (Oct. 19) to discuss the project.

Not sure this guy was even punished.

ETA: this part is key:

A controversial experiment in which more than 200,000 pounds of iron sulfate were dumped into the Pacific Ocean west of Canada has scientists calling for more transparency in geoengineering

edit on 26-2-2015 by network dude because: added information

posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 04:42 PM
a reply to: network dude

This is a very interesting topic with major implications, perhaps more so than the chemtrail debate. I'm all for some testing to learn more about the possible dangers/benefits.

There was a similar thread just started but filled with Gish Gallop and Ad Hominems.

posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 05:29 PM

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
Remember the SPICE experiment that got canned last year -geoeningeering research will certainly go "outdoors" at some point.

One of the major questions at geoengineering conferences these days is whether it will be a lawless free-for-all or will be controlled by some regulation.

I would, given my cynicism, assume that the only regulation will be who pays the biggest backhander to get the contract.
Money trumps people. Especially in the "greed is good" times we are living in.

posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 06:17 PM
a reply to: network dude

yep - and he can't be punished - he broke no law IIRC.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 02:58 AM
a reply to: network dude

There are hopes to use the next Pinatubo as a field experiment

Scientists who study ideas to engineer the climate to mitigate global warming say we should be ready to deploy an armada of instrumentation when Earth has its next major volcanic eruption.

Data gathered in the high atmosphere would be invaluable in determining whether so-called "geoengineering" solutions had any merit at all.

posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 12:56 PM
a reply to: mrthumpy

This is perfect. The kind of research that needs to happen, but would have zero affect on the big picture. Although it seems like they understand the SRM theory pretty well, part of my hopes that something like this would prove ineffective so that whole though process could be shelved. It's like spending years trying to engineer a better band-aid when you could prevent the cut and eliminate the need for the band-aid.

It's sad that this topic gets little to no discussion, but things like chemtrails, a dress that changes colors, and Kanye West's latest guffaw lights up the internet.

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