Finally! A Useful Anti-Christian Bigotry Map!

originally posted by: windword

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Are you thinkng what I'm thinking?!?

ROOAADTRIP!!!

If I wanted to join a hate group, I'd probably pick Christianity. It's hard these day, to come across any that are not fun balls of hate. They usually start of peace and love, ask if I'm married, find out I'm gay, then spew bile at me. The complete opposite of what Christ supposedly wants them to do. I was told the other day that I had better make the most of the time I have with my faggot partner because when I die, I'm going to be tortured for eternity. Charming.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ketsuko

This is any different from what groups like the Southern Povety Law Center do how?

I guess if you're looking for hate groups to join, contribute donations to or volunteer your services, I guess the Southern Poverty Law Center's Hate Group Data Base is as good as any!

a reply to: SevenThunders

Christians are not being persecuted? Whats this then?

Ok then explain why are Christians special?

en.wikipedia.org...

Is this a case of arguing semantics ... on both sides?

Are there Christians in the world who are attacked merely for being Christians?

Yes, I don't think anyone would disagree.

If a Christian is attacked, is it ALWAYS because they are Christian?

No, logic and facts say otherwise. Sometimes, the Christian is just in the wrong place at the wrong time, for example.

Are all Christians all over the world in constant danger of being attacked?

No. That implies some kind of opposing majority in the world that is unified to some degree. That doesn't exist in reality.

Is any disagreement or criticism of Christianity also an attack on individual Christians?

No, one can state issues with an ideology or belief system and still respect those who hold such.

Is a stated dislike for Christians and Christianity an attack?

Not always, perhaps sometimes. When it is we should consider the degree and severity of "the attack" ... example: being called "ignorant" (a verbal attack that is either true or not true) and having one's head lopped off, being set on fire, hacked to death with a machete, etc.

Are there Christians who have done violence to others either because those others weren't Christian or for other reasons?

Yes, and it wasn't all during the Crusades or the Inquisition (although it would be nice to hear the average Christian take responsibility for those atrocities rather than always saying "but that was hundreds of years ago.").



Just some thoughts ...

The "homosexual agenda" has always amused me about conservatives.

A desire to have equal treatment under the law and to not face attacks for existing is truly an agenda I tell you.

I opened this knowing I was going to laugh and I did. One of the funniest things I have seen in awhile. Apparently AARP that association for retired people encourage homosexual marriage. Not that thats a bad thing but my Dad gets the magazine every month. If he knew that he would be so pissed. lol oh great find by the way.

a reply to: JDmOKI

Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long-term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany

That would be directly counter to this quote of his:

For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Obviously he was a political leader.

Here some more quotes:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 01 Aug. 1923

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928

We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
-Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as Chancellor for the first time,

The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.
-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933

The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life.... The National Government regard the two Christian Confessions as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality. They will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal States. Their rights are not to be infringed.... It will be the Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real national community is just as much in the interest of the German nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith. The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933

National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take the Christian Churches under the protection of the State.... The decisive factor which can justify the existence alike of Church and State is the maintenance of men's spiritual and bodily health, for it that health were destroyed it would mean the end of the State and also the end of the Church.... It is my sincere hope that thereby for Germany, too, through free agreement there has been produced a final clarification of spheres in the functions of the State and of one Church.
-Adolf Hitler, on a wireless on 22 July, the evening before the Evangelical Church Election

The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.
-Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

...and the kicker:

We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Can you explain why Christian Hitler would use a swastika instead of a cross?

a reply to: JDmOKI

Here we go.

mentalfloss.com...

a reply to: boymonkey74

Thats not my question, I know why he used that symbol. If Hitler was such the Christian crusader why wouldn't he use a cross?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: windword

... Being a Christian myself, I often find myself struggling to see the Christian ethic in the actions, statements, and attitudes held by fundamentalists, and I think the main problem is that these fundamentalists are fundamentally wrong about the things in our faith they opt to focus on, and uphold.

They cast aside the love that Jesus taught his disciples, and uphold only the fury and vengence of the Old Testament, and in so doing, they fail entirely to edify and glorify the name of Christ, and glorifying his name by good works and living in love and peace is something that all people who believe in the Lord of Lords, who hold Jesus word as their creed, should aspire to do.....

...These fundamentalists do not understand that their actions are tantamount to replacing the mercy of Christ, with the judgement of the individual believer...

Well said, truebrit! Very well said, indeed

J

a reply to: JDmOKI

Can you explain why Christian Hitler would use a swastika instead of a cross?

Can you explain the plethora of quotes I provided? Or should we just push all those aside as if the swastika somehow nullifies them utterly.

I wasn't aware wearing a cross was a prerequisite to being a Christian. Learn something new everyday. You should inform all the Christians you see without a cross dangling from their neck. On that note: why isn't there a cross in your avatar, good sir?

a reply to: JDmOKI

Your 'Hitler quotes' came from this:

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

Mine came from his various speeches witnessed by many, and from his autobiographical manifesto.

So essentially my quotes were heard and read by large amounts of people, and yours were 'secret conversations' allegedly heard by Martin Bormann.

Call me suspicious.

You were quoting from this page were you not? Link

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Why does he have anti Christian advisors? Thats exactly my point,. Do you think he would have support of the European Christians if he was an outspoken atheist? I'm sure he said lots of things to pander to the majority Christians. I've been lied to by lots of politicians

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Honestly, I can't even say he was atheist

a reply to: JDmOKI

Because it had already been used...he wanted something new.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

I don't have a cross on my avatar because i'm not Christian

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Maybe after the war there was an effort from Christianity to distance themselves from him?.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Can you explain why Christian Hitler would use a swastika instead of a cross?

Maybe when he first took notice of it at his childhood church it stuck with him as an important religious symbol.



According to Mein Kampf Hitler adopted the swastika from a catholic church in Austria where Hitler was a choir-boy in the church in Lambach Abbey when he was about 8-9 years old. The interior of the church displayed the swastika symbol and he would have passed it every time he was in the church.