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Leaked? ... "Exec Amnesty in 24 States That Didn’t Join Lawsuit"

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posted on Feb, 25 2015 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: doompornjunkie

that maybe so, but to become a legal citizen in the U.S. they require that if you don't speak english that you bring your own interpreter who is fluent in both english and your native language, and your required to take a english test. but the english test is kinda sad, you have to read just one out of three sentences correctly, and write just one out of three sentences correctly.


Wouldn't making English the official language take care of this issue?




posted on Feb, 25 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: doompornjunkie

yes i think it would, but you know our government.



posted on Feb, 25 2015 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: doompornjunkie

yes i think it would, but you know our government.


Oh of course! I was speaking hypothetically about anything on a federal level.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:23 AM
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a reply to: Tangerine

I hate to break it to you.. But Mom and Pop shops are long gone. Its all mega chains now. You never been in a wally mart?





I am guessing that one of your complaints about "illegals" would be that they take jobs "Americans" could have and drive down wages. But here you are shopping at Wal-Mart that specializes in destroying other businesses and driving down wages. Hmmm.


Hey anyone who can come here and get free housing, healthcare, food and cash assistance with taxpayer money is ok with me!
But in return we do get a $10.00 yard mow!
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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: Night Star
Flag and star for you. I just read the link. ALL States should say no to illegals and amnesty of any kind.

My wife is a legal immigrant who waited YEARS to get here, and she agrees 100%.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:34 AM
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a reply to: doompornjunkie

I would love for us to be able to declare English as the official language. It's just sad that it has come to this, that we have to actually fight for it. Many States have declared it as the official language and others are fighting. I just wish they'd hurry up. LOL

As far as amnesty, no State should allow it. It only rewards those who have had no respect for our laws, and places them ahead of those coming here through the proper channels.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:35 AM
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Whiskey tango foxtrot...

Mmm is megalomaniac the right word..



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:40 AM
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originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: FarleyWayne

So now the Constitution's validity and interpretation is based state by state? It's no longer all encompassing?



That's what the states rights people have always wanted. Isn't this a win for them? The states stood up, said no to Obama's law, and now it has been put on hold pending an appeal. In the states that didn't oppose it, it's going to happen.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:44 AM
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originally posted by: Night Star
That's just it, we shouldn't have to have laws about language. Immigrants who came here legally had to learn English. After too many years of uncontrolled illegal immigration, we then had problems and had to fight for it to be the official language and are still fighting for it.


If there is no law specifying English, do people not have the right to speak any language they choose? Can society not decide on their own whether or not they want to cater to that language by using it in their businesses?

Do you believe in states rights? How about the self determination of local governments? They're both the same thing, just as states wish for their own freedoms from the feds, local governments wish to tailor their laws to their city or town. Shouldn't these localities have the right to cater to any groups they wish? Perhaps an ethnic group that has taken up residence and wishes to preserve their culture? Why shouldn't they get that right?
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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Night Star
That's just it, we shouldn't have to have laws about language. Immigrants who came here legally had to learn English. After too many years of uncontrolled illegal immigration, we then had problems and had to fight for it to be the official language and are still fighting for it.


If there is no law specifying English, do people not have the right to speak any language they choose? Can society not decide on their own whether or not they want to cater to that language by using it in their businesses?


Then we need a law for English to be the official language. Sure, the businesses can do as they please, but in my city, a couple of businesses tried to add Spanish and alienated too many customers so they went back to using just English.

When I keep hearing about places in the US where people can't shop at a store or order food in their own language, in their own Country, that is pretty bad. And it only became that way after too many years of unchecked illegal immigration and their being catered to above the American citizen. All other immigrants, legal ones, learned the language with respect to our Country.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:58 AM
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What's the "official" language in all written court documents?




posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 01:59 AM
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originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: FarleyWayne

So now the Constitution's validity and interpretation is based state by state? It's no longer all encompassing?



It's similar to the Lincoln's reasoning on a house divided except in reverse. Now the prez is dividing a house using his executive pen to defy the law similar to what Lincoln did with his pen and all the lawlessness trampling on the constitution that he did.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 02:09 AM
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originally posted by: Night Star
Then we need a law for English to be the official language. Sure, the businesses can do as they please, but in my city, a couple of businesses tried to add Spanish and alienated too many customers so they went back to using just English.

When I keep hearing about places in the US where people can't shop at a store or order food in their own language, in their own Country, that is pretty bad. And it only became that way after too many years of unchecked illegal immigration and their being catered to above the American citizen. All other immigrants, legal ones, learned the language with respect to our Country.


If we need to mandate English as the language then clearly you don't believe that businesses can do as they please, because those businesses are choosing to use languages other than English.


I say leave it up to the communities, if they're ok with groups that speak Spanish, Indian, Chinese, or French then let them. If it's not commercially viable then its use will die off and people will move to English over time. Assimilation works best as a natural process, not when it's forced.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 02:11 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan


Perhaps an ethnic group that has taken up residence and wishes to preserve their culture? Why shouldn't they get that right?


We will always have a mix of different cultures but we can't cater to them all. When they all know English, everyone is united. When you pick one culture over another resentment builds. I've seen it in former workplaces where we had quite a mix of cultures, but the Spanish speaking people were catered to above the Africans, Asians and others and they didn't appreciate it one bit. In the past immigrants had to know English, we didn't have the problems we have today.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 02:20 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan


I say leave it up to the communities, if they're ok with groups that speak Spanish, Indian, Chinese, or French then let them. If it's not commercially viable then its use will die off and people will move to English over time. Assimilation works best as a natural process, not when it's forced.


Evidently communities aren't too happy. Too often I have heard of people complaining and rightly so because they have shops or restaurants where the employees can't even speak English. It separates people rather than uniting them with a common language. Where we have hundreds of languages spoken here and most of those people knowing English, it would be better to be united.

Now if you will excuse me, it is way past my bedtime.





posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 02:24 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

That's what the states rights people have always wanted. Isn't this a win for them?

Complete misrepresentation. States want more power over their borders. US citizenship is Federal, not a State issue. So no, no one has ever wanted this, ever.

The states stood up, said no to Obama's law, and now it has been put on hold pending an appeal. In the states that didn't oppose it, it's going to happen.

How does something Unconstitutional happen in any State? This is a ploy to get around the Constitution with the "you can't put toothpaste back in the tube" trick.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 02:25 AM
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originally posted by: AazadanPerhaps an ethnic group that has taken up residence and wishes to preserve their culture? Why shouldn't they get that right?

How does learning English prevent them from doing that?



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: Night StarAll other immigrants, legal ones, learned the language with respect to our Country.

My wife is a legal immigrant and used to teach English. Everyone in her family knows it. Everyone.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: AazadanPerhaps an ethnic group that has taken up residence and wishes to preserve their culture? Why shouldn't they get that right?

How does learning English prevent them from doing that?


It doesn't, but if we're following the idea that regulatory actions should be minimal you need to show why everyone needs to know English and what the unimaginable horrors are if some people choose to speak their own language instead.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 03:28 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Is it ok for an ethnic group say hispanic, to make their language the official language of a state?



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