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www.informationclearinghouse.info... The piece is a good read and it's not hard to see what what happened in the Crimea may have been what was going to eventually happen anyway .
What do you reckon is the date of this Reuters News Agency dispatch? I’ve slightly doctored one or two things in it, but only to conceal the date.
‘Elected officials in the Crimea voted on Monday to hold a referendum to resolve heated debates on the future status of the region.
‘A Moscow news agency said the regional council voted to issue a declaration restoring the Crimea's "statehood" and also to hold a vote to determine the future of the attractive peninsula on the shores of the Black Sea.
‘Moscow television suggested the referendum could take place early next February. It said the region, part of the Ukraine but with a large population of ethnic Russians and other groups, was sharply divided between maintaining its present status or rejoining the Russian Federation.’
Well, it was 12th November 1990, nearly a quarter of a century ago. And it forms the opening page in a fascinating file compiled for me by a friend and colleague in Moscow.
Goble has falsified the facts. Nowhere in this interview or anywhere else does Muratov say this. He in fact said: "This document, which purportedly was prepared by a group of people, in which, purportedly, participated the well-known oligarch, a man, who stole credit in VTB (VneshTorgBank or the Foreign Trade Bank), who is close to AFK ‘Sistema’ (a major Russian hiolding company), a person who is the creator of his own large foundation – I have in mind that Orthodox Christian, major oligarch Konstantin Malofeev… (interviewer interrupts) … Someone from his circle, I think, that people (in his circle) have greater opportunity than he to go to the administration of the president, to the Kremlin, and they brought this scenario of possible events there”
Again Goble has falsified Muratov’s claims: In fact, Muratov said nothing about the document being drafted ‘in the Kremlin.’ He said: "We can presuppose that this (the occurrence of the drafting) was in the period approximately from 4 to 15 February 2014, and there had still not been any overthrow of Yanukovich” (Russian: "Мы можем предположить, что это в период приблизительно от 4 до 15 февраля 2014 года, еще никакого свержения Януковича нет” – seeecho.msk.ru/programs/personalno/1494328-echo/). - See more at: m.liveleak.com...
originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: noeltrotsky
This again? Really come on,you think all major countries don't have contingency plans and what if scenarios?
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Cracks in the Putin mystique are appearing over his over reach of powers.
There should be no surprise that Putin planned these land grabs all out in advance. Wonder where he will land grab next, history shows Hitler couldn't stop taking land candy once he got a taste of how easy it was in an environment of appeasement.
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: Rocker2013
It wouldn't be filed away if the anti-Putin people in Russia were looking for something to try to cause trouble with.Just like here,you have those that will go too enormous lengths to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I still think this is nothing but a tempest in a tea pot. As has been pointed out here,Crimea has wanted to join Russia for years,going so far as to vote on it. If we knew that someone wanted to join us,we would have a plan waiting for them too.