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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Develo
ah yes, you were the fellow who assumed full rights to discuss and elaborate on the religious implications of the topic i encountered you on before but didn't want anyone else to do so, as you had already made up your mind that everyone but you was delusional.
pardon my intrusion. i'll respond to someone who appears to want a discussion.
originally posted by: Entreri06
With genetic engineering in the news lately and on the radio show ground zero tonight. I always hear the religious crowd saying that we shouldn't allow true test tube/created humans, because they wouldn't have a god givin eternal soul.
Well what if when we do, they come out normal. Perfectly human loving, caring individuals. Wouldn't that debunk the thought of a god givin eternal soul?
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Develo
But believing the earth is flat in our modern age is a delusion on the other hand. Like believing the earth is 6000 years old.
straw man argument, not going to bother.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Entreri06
We are a long way from a true "test tube" baby in the sense you mean. Any actual clone would have to be incubated inside a mother still.
And as animal clones have shown us, they aren't exact copies. So they aren't true clones in the sense everyone thinks. They have differences and likely different souls.
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Develo
okay, i'll modify my statement: "you consider everyone you disagree with, to be delusional". how's that?
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Develo
true, i have a confirmation bias on that, particularly because it makes so much sense.
originally posted by: PLAYERONE01
but a clone having a soul kind of bums me out because im kind of hanging out for when i can be cloned and have some kind of psych' data transfer into my new body and keep on rockin'.
but if it has a soul then effectivily im killing it/me to move in.
I think i need a few more drinks to ponder the morality of this theory.
originally posted by: undo
and the whole ancient world became this vibrant, fascinating landscape.
We are not supposed to look into the past in a way that fulfills our fantasies
originally posted by: Develo
Gingers and women already have no soul, I don't see why a clone would have one.
Seriously now, religious people don't say we shouldn't clone people because "they wouldn't have a soul" (where did you get that from?) but because it's not ethical.
originally posted by: Develo
originally posted by: undo
the spirit, on the other hand, doesn't require the body, as is evidenced by astral projection and other OOBEs
What you call spirit here is just another word for consciousness. And as far as I know you still need a brain to have consciousness.
Astral projections and OOBEs only work when there is at least a few last sparks of electricity in the brain. There has never been any proof of OOBE from someone brain dead for more than a day.
originally posted by: Develo
a reply to: undo
Another interpretation is that the rephaim are the long dead kings living in Israel way before the story of the Jews.
What makes your interpretation more elegant and plausible?
The more you have to make assumptions, the less plausible it is. You make tons of assumptions in your theory.
originally posted by: Entreri06
originally posted by: Develo
originally posted by: undo
the spirit, on the other hand, doesn't require the body, as is evidenced by astral projection and other OOBEs
What you call spirit here is just another word for consciousness. And as far as I know you still need a brain to have consciousness.
Astral projections and OOBEs only work when there is at least a few last sparks of electricity in the brain. There has never been any proof of OOBE from someone brain dead for more than a day.
More then that your brain could be out cold when your "brain dead", but you have your "vision" in the couple seconds as you wake up. Everyone knows dream time is crazy. A second could be an about of detailed dreaming.