Fox does it again..women should not ruin the oscars by asking for equal rights.

originally posted by: Onslaught2996
a reply to: amazing

I have also worked in places where women have made less than us for working just as hard.

I was a union rep and spoke out about it....you know what they did..they increased their wages to ours at the time...but we also got a pay wage...so basically the problem still was there.

I quit because was tired of watching these women work just as hard but make less, plus tired of watching race play a factor of who was promoted..ie..guy worked there for years..hard worker..rarely missed..white guy works there for three weeks..gets promoted over him...it was ridiculous because the guy was asking the other guy what he should do certain situations..

Plus I was labeled a trouble maker...got tired of being put in a room with three supervisors in an attempt to intimidate me..they would bring me in for stupid little issues..saying I said this or that..and shouldn't because it was lowering moral...idiots.

Yeah I feel this story is BS, I guess if you live in bleeding heart land you could believe it.... You got fired right? You complained about work and thought you knew how to run a business better than your employers...

Here's the kicker, I bet if this story were true, this minority and the women are still happily working like they always had just like before you showed up.

originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: ketsuko
Shhh, don't tell anyone on this thread that they will never achieve true social justice because it's impossible.

I understand the reasons of you thinking this way, but you are wrong and pessimist. It's like saying that it's impossible to go to another galaxy. Yes, we are far but it's not impossible.

With a well established system based on wages : Productivity X Education and Expertises X Value of Product Service X Talent/Rarity X Hours X Risk and Responsibilities, like I said in my previous post...eventually, we could reach what is Just...which isn't always what is Equal.

With free market capitalism, it surely is impossible but with some sort of advanced system including the best part of every "isms" aided by technology, I'm fairly certain we could attain near perfect social justice.

Except that isn't even a fair equation. Education means squat. Value of product can be relative as is productivity. How do you measure talent?

This equation is going to be like everything else in social justice - endlessly being tweaked and endlessly disadvantaging some to the advantage of others.

I stopped watching the Oscars years ago. Seeing the glamour and watching wealthy actors parade themselves in front of the camera is not my cup of tea.

a reply to: ketsuko

I understand what you're saying but at the same time many of these movies and shows these people get awards for deal with topics that these actors feel passionate about and accepting an award gives them a chance to promote similar ideals that the films are about. Now, I don't know if that is the case here because I didn't watch the Oscars and usually don't, but I have seen bits and pieces over the years and making some kind of statement is usually pretty common isn't it???

Like the movie Selma. Again I don't know if anything was said about it or if it won anything either but if it did I would assume that whoever got the Oscar would use that time for thanking people and to once again talk about whatever issues that movie was about.

I think we should also include the fact that we have also made politics and politicians celebrities too now with our 24 hr. news shows, comedy news shows, etc. The world is pretty chaotic politically now and there is much more media coverage about all of it too. Making it so that pretty much everyone has something to say about it in one area or another since we are all being effected by it in very obvious ways.

Lastly, I think a lot of the noise is also just because Hollywood tends to have more liberal views and Fox hates those views and will attack them whenever possible. All those people who are complaining on fox about all the political speech obviously wouldn't be complaining if it had been American Sniper that had got all the attention and all the political speech would have been about American Exceptionalism and Patriotic Flag Waving. I think they're just pissed that it's not their message being delivered.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Except that isn't even a fair equation. Education means squat.

Defeatist attitude I see...
Sure ok, Education means squat...then why did I pitch in Expertises right next to it?

originally posted by: ketsukoValue of product can be relative as is productivity.

Of course the value of the product is relative, that's why it's in the equation and productivity is obviously calculated by how much you accomplish.

originally posted by: ketsuko
How do you measure talent?

If you can't measure talent in a particular field, it's because you don't know what talent is for the tasks at hand. I'm sure you can measure talent in what you are talented in.

originally posted by: ketsuko
This equation is going to be like everything else in social justice - endlessly being tweaked and endlessly disadvantaging some to the advantage of others.

Well of course I didn't think this for years with the help of of experts, but you are too pessimistic. You should try to add to my ideas instead of not giving yourself the chance.

Interestingly, #PatriciaArquette's #Oscars2015 acceptance speech seemed to be only 77% as long as her male counterparts.



As for Fox being Fox? Not a shock?

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: InfinityandBeyond
Where is this unequal pay? Plenty of woman who work at my place of business make more than I do. I always read "woman should make money equally" but where are these places?

It's rampant all over, in every city.

Is it in bad taste for me to point out that women are paid way more than men in the porn industry???

originally posted by: jheated5


Yeah I feel this story is BS, I guess if you live in bleeding heart land you could believe it.... You got fired right? You complained about work and thought you knew how to run a business better than your employers...

Here's the kicker, I bet if this story were true, this minority and the women are still happily working like they always had just like before you showed up.

Remember , I could care less what you think.. As other posters who know me will say...personal attacks never bother me.

Just because there is a microphone in front of them does not mean people are obligated to use their celebrity to promote an agenda, good or bad notwithstanding.

a reply to: mOjOm

Fox does not "hate" those views. I think disagrees with them is a better way to put it. I happen to disagree with them, too, but I don't hate the people who endorse them. It takes way too much energy for that.

Patricia Arquette was in Boyhood a coming of age movie filmed over a twelve year span about a boy growing up. I don't see where that relates to women's wage equality.

That's different than Julianne Moore giving a shout-out to Alzheimer's during her acceptance speech in which she played a woman suffering early onset Alzhiemer's.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: mOjOm

Fox does not "hate" those views. I think disagrees with them is a better way to put it. I happen to disagree with them, too, but I don't hate the people who endorse them. It takes way too much energy for that.

Ok, whatever. "Hates" just takes less time for me to type than "disagrees with" but we can use that instead. I didn't say they hated anybody either, just that they hate (dislike) those perspectives.

Patricia Arquette was in Boyhood a coming of age movie filmed over a twelve year span about a boy growing up. I don't see where that relates to women's wage equality.

But like I said, don't they always yammer on like that. Not everyone does it, obviously but if memory serves someone always does.

But mainly I still think it has to do with the fact that the message was not one Fox supports which is why along with all their commentary about how much they disliked the Oscars this year and all their complaining they made a point to praise "American Sniper" and talk about how much money it made and how that was the real proof of it being the best and so on. Had it won and someone got up there and yammered on about how great our soldiers are and how wonderful America is and how America keeps the world safe and all that, they would have loved it.

I mean they even had Trump call in and tell everyone about how much it sucked and they had that actress that hasn't made a movie since Clueless talking about it. They did the same thing, quasi-celebrity commentary, only their message was different.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

I believe women should have equal rights including employment. There should be a quota for women to work such jobs as: coal miners, infantry soldiers, artillery, tanks, Construction Laborers, Electrical Power-Line Installers And Repairers, Mining Machine Operators, Refuse And Recyclable Material Collectors, Roofers, Fishers And Related Fishing Workers, and Logging Workers.

I believe in fair play and equal rights but I don't see the females that demand equal rights taking the risks that men quite often have to do to make a living. Of course I speak of western society where we live. You just don't see enough women in these lines of work today.

originally posted by: peck420
I wonder what could be done about income inequality if actors and actresses weren't paid in the millions?

Beware of what you preach, lest your own words kick your soap box out from under your feet.

WTF are you talking about. I'm a SAG/AFTRA actor and most of us have to support ourselves with outside jobs.
Only a very few of those in our union make millions or even make enough money to call ourselves "professional actors"

But If I ever make it big and get to give a speech on the Oscar stage...I'm going to rant about "know nothing" foreigners.

What a air headed bimbo. Patricia Arquette didn't say women doesn't have any rights she was talking about wage equality. On average women make 78 cents for the dollar a man makes for doing the same job. Now Dash just needs to dye her hair blonde so she will fit in with the rest of the bleach blonde air headed bimbo's at FOX.

Dear women, if you find out a collegue working in the same position, same company, and with all things equal is making more than you, then immediately call a lawyer.
There have been laws on the books for decades that require equal pay (not including of course raises, bonuses, etc..but standard rate base).

Now

What I have seen, after digging a bit, is that this is a disingenuous argument. Of course again, any actual unequal pay should not be something requested, but prosecuted for the odd company that practices this...nice class action lawsuit if appropriate.

But, these "Studies"...its all in the wording. "women make 75 cents per dollar a white man makes". yep, probably right, women, if they desire to be equal in stats, should focus more on STEM degrees and get high paying jobs verses teaching, nursing, etc...which is overwhelmingly where women tend to choose. communications degrees don't really help you land that database administrator job.

But a better response to this is: so what. women may enjoy the lesser paying, more socially oriented jobs. whos right is it to consider such career choices lesser? women are different. not just bits in or out, but generally speaking in a different emotional state, and so they are drawn to different things. if someone is happy, why should they feel bad about making less than if they would have gotten their electrical engineering degree and been miserable but well paid?

This argument strawman crap has to stop. its insulting to women, facts, and there is literally no point..none..new laws? nope..the laws already exist. its just grandstanding about a issue dealt with decades ago.

originally posted by: buster2010
What a air headed bimbo. Patricia Arquette didn't say women doesn't have any rights she was talking about wage equality. On average women make 78 cents for the dollar a man makes for doing the same job. Now Dash just needs to dye her hair blonde so she will fit in with the rest of the bleach blonde air headed bimbo's at FOX.

Debunked

The official Bureau of Labor Department statistics show that the median earnings of full-time female workers is 77 percent of the median earnings of full-time male workers. But that is very different than “77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men.” The latter gives the impression that a man and a woman standing next to each other doing the same job for the same number of hours get paid different salaries. That’s not at all the case. “Full time” officially means 35 hours, but men work more hours than women. That’s the first problem: We could be comparing men working 40 hours to women working 35.

It goes on and on to discuss the differences, along with the wording never specifying anything of relevance.
Slate source

Its a good read. We cannot address equality problems in our nation (arguably not many left) unless we first stop talking about things that simply aren't true. the only one that benefits from those discussions are the few propaganda celebs riding the victim train to success.

Stacey Dash? Seriously??

We all know that Fox News has 'clueless' guests
but this took it to the next level.

Oh cry me a friggin river Arquette...

The contents of this year's Academy Awards goodie bags have been revealed to be worth more than $125,000. Variety reports the some pretty spectacular swag will be given to nominees, alongside the standard array of skincare products and accessories. 2015 Oscars: Who Won? - IGN News 01:14 Highlights include: a $1,500 three-night stay at a resort in Tuscany; a luxury train journey through the Canadian Rockies worth $14,500; French Mediterranean sea salts worth $1,500; a silver necklace bearing the latitude and longitude of the Dolby Theater where the Oscars were held worth $150; a glamping trip valued at $12,500; a $800 cotton candy and dessert voucher; a $250 Haze vaporiser; a $250 Afterglow vibrator; a Wellness 360 gift pack worth $1,200; a full year of Audi A4 car rental worth $20,000 and a Reset Yourself makeover package coming in at over $14,200. Though there's plenty more on top of all this, the highest-valued item is apparently a $20,000 gift certificate giving you the ability to have Enigma Life founder Olessia Kantor come and meet all the nominees individually and offer insight on "their 2015 horoscope, analyze dreams and teach them mind control techniques.” Presumably to make sure they can lock down more votes next year?

Here's what's in the Oscars gift bags for 2015

I guess she'll be donating that right quick, won't she...

a reply to: Onslaught2996

there is no issue the president done made it a law my wife makes more on the hr than me lol
what more do you want it was done 50 yrs ago

imagine dusting off the time machine to willfully be lectured by your high school's cast of death of a salesman about socioeconomics and geopolitics

i like to think im better than that..i get why some dont