originally posted by: Borisbanger
To reduce a population means implementing a program restraining people from breeding.
You are suggesting taking away more freedom from poor people though you want them to do it voluntarily and intergenerationally. You appear to endorse
a system and law that enables entrenched capital holders to monopolize employment (as well as everything else ).
I don't endorse anything that supports "entrenched capital holders", you are assuming that "rule of law" is the only means to achieve the goal of less
babies and limited immigration.
Why are people still "asking permission" or trying to "legislate" what they want. Stop asking!
My solution requires NEITHER changes in current law, nor the support from politicians, running the current system.
I am NOT advocating a RULE OF LAW solution, I am advocating a cultural shift, enforced by community action and individual reprisals.
Example 1, an H1-B visa employee starts working at your place of business, in turn natural born staff trash that persons car EVERY day and mess up the
front lawn of their home regularly. American need to MAKE immigrants not want to live in the United States anymore, by MAKING IT expensive for them
to stay here.
Example 2, people with young children start moving into your neighborhood, in turn, get local businesses to ban children, as we have seen done in
recent news stories. MAKE parents with young children uncomfortable in public settings until they move away and/or decide to never have another
Example 3, you own a small company and people with kids work there, MAKE THEIR health insurance premium SKY HIGH and they will eventually quit.
This isn't about race, this isn't about class, this isn't about religion and this isn't about gender. We need to start discriminating against people
who make babies, just like what was done to smokers.
People making babies and immigrants coming into the county are costing ALL OF US MONEY. Not through any fault of their own, but because of the way
the "Owners of Capital" have set up the rules, pitting their offspring against everybody else who was already alive and working.
This kind of cultural shift can be achieved WITHOUT government backing or influence, but people have to begin to realize how children and immigrants
are harming their subsistence and future earnings. If more people started pushing back at these people in public, they will eventually learn that
they don't want to move here and many Americans will begin to refrain from having kids.
You don't need the governments permission to harass people and Americans need to start doing it again, but this time leaving out gender, race,
religion and class as the basis. People having kids and immigrants are the new enemy, especially since we cannot make a direct strike against the
"Owners of Capital" and cannot form Unions or Work Councils to help protect our interests in labor discussion and collective bargaining.
Think of it this way, how many people are against the spaying and neutering dogs? Very few and although I am not advocating spaying and neutering
people, think about how people react these days, when they see dogs that are not spayed or neutered. Its usually a negative reaction, with people
saying to the dog owner "You don't spay or neuter your dogs, shame on you!". Now apply this to babies and immigrants.
People en mass should start saying the following to baby makers and immigrants TODAY!!!
"You have children in this day and age, shame on you!"
"You immigrated to this country recently and stole a job from an American, shame on you!"
Make note, my concern is NOT economic growth for the "owners of capital", only increased wages for the rest. A DELIBERATE cultural shift where "baby
making" is reduced to zero, is only bad for the "owners of capital", not the laborers. Since "labor" does not have the bargaining chip of
Unionization nor the election of true progressive politicians, opposing all forms of immigration and taking violent action against "profiteers" AND
their supporters is all labor has left to bargain with. There must be a willingly cultural shift forcefully decreasing the population competing over
scarce jobs in the larger market.
Taking "violent" action, as abhorrent as it seems, is the only way to keep immigrants from willingly coming here and undercutting the wages of
citizens. The way it stands now, companies recruit immigrants to come in, take someones job, work for less and in turn the immigrants get to live
under relatively safe conditions, while they work.
Changes in policy can only occur today, IF, these foreign workers are being treated the same way as workers whom "crossed picket" lines during the
depression. Sadly, that could mean violence, until these foreign workers on visas understand that stealing wages from Americans is not welcome by the
local population and directly results in an unsafe environment for them in which to earn said wages. Same goes for upper management, when their
personal cars drive up to the company parking lot, no holds barred, roughing ups should be happening every day.
Workers today can learn a lot from those whom dealt with this same issue during the depression. I think the 1933 movie, "Heroes for Sale" perfectly
sums up the situation we are in today. Things can't change until workers start acting like the ones portrayed in this film. We are at the end of our
rope, NO MORE BEGGING, NO MORE INVESTIGATING AND NO MORE PUBLIC POLICY BUILDING. Angry mobs should be forming in front of corporate offices across the
country and I don't mean "Occupy Wallstreet" style with the proper "permits" and "free speech" zones. The events that took place during the depression
provides all the working models we need today and its NOT 1960's era sit-ins.
Remember "roughing up" those causing the most damage to the lower classes, ON AN INDIVIDUAL SCALE means grabbing a CEO out of his car in the parking
lot. Note this IS NOT, the same thing as burning the office building to the ground. Treating an H1B visa worker as a "picket line crosser", IS NOT,
the same thing as yelling a racial slur at them in the office.
The thing many are forgetting is these tactics worked during the Depression. All of the "civilized methods" have gotten us NOTHING so far. Where do
you expect us to be in another 10 years using the current "civilized methods"?
"Roughing Up", specific people, is all we have left. We are in a corner. If we had "choices" as you suggest "Occupy Wall street" would have been
successful and we'd still be seeing continued public efforts. We don't, so we have to assume it was not a success in any measurable way.
For example, when a company lays everyone off and opens an office in Mumbai, people should go to the CEO's house and make him pay for the lost wages,
in "spirit" through property damage. He certainly has the right to do what he wants with his business, but its also the communities right to extract a
penalty for making such a decision. The "Owners of Capital" want to have their cake and eat it too. The repercussions of doing such should be simple,
move jobs away, loose your "safe environment", in which you reside. No one should assume they will be safe, if they economically devastate the
communities that their businesses reside in. Detroit being a prime example, those guys should be looking over their shoulder 24/7.
27-2-2015 by boohoo because: (no reason given)