A city that pays criminals to behave

Nature versus nurture. Criminal background checks keep people out of the workforce so what do they do? They turn back to lives of crime because anything less than 12-15 an hour isn't enough to live on especially as cost of living and inflation outpace wages which are stagnating and declining across almost all sectors of the economy.

Source(Aljazeera)

“Almost every day someone was being shot and there was multiple gunfire every day,” Boggan said. “I mean it was literally popping. It was on fire, no question about that.”

No surprise. This is the state of war in almost every single city across America. Its the elephant in the room. In every single city we have tens if not hundreds of thousands of homeless, unemployed and under employed. On top of that we have people permanently disenfranchised with criminal backgrounds who really do want an opportunity to support their families.

To qualify for the stipend, ONS fellows must draw up a "life map," setting goals for the future. After six months in the program, they can receive up to $1,000 a month if they prove they are working toward those goals. If they start slipping back to bad behavior, they get nothing.

This is awesome. What we don't want is millions of people in America in a state of perpetual survival mode and suffering from PTSD which is a result of the cycle of survival.

Besides education and rewards, "The new Chief of Police fired bad cops" and did away with stop and frisk?

Kudos…

a reply to: onequestion

This is the sort of thing that preceded the French revolution if I remember correctly.

Appeasing Envy - Giving the Bullies What They Want - An Invitation to Revolution

a reply to: greencmp
You act like the french revolution was a bad thing.

Unreal that we have to pay criminals not to be criminals.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: greencmp
You act like the french revolution was a bad thing.

zowie.

a reply to: thesaneone

They are providing them a foundation and a life line to get out of that cycle, what a horrible horrible thing.


I would love to see this for everyone, but that just makes me a dirty liberal socialist commie bastard.

originally posted by: thesaneone
Unreal that we have to pay criminals not to be criminals.

Yep it's terrible that giving someone the possibility of a decent life and being a productive member of society actually makes the streets safer for the average citizen. Much better to reinforce bad behaviour with punishment and ostracism.

/s

a reply to: greencmp

The French Revolution (French: Révolution française) was an influential period of social and political upheaval in France that lasted from 1789 until 1799. Inspired by liberal and radical ideas, the Revolution profoundly altered the course of modern history, triggering the global decline of theocracies and absolute monarchies while replacing them with republics and democracies. Through the Revolutionary Wars, it unleashed a wave of global conflicts that extended from the Caribbean to the Middle East. Historians widely regard the Revolution as one of the most important events in human history.[1]

Zowie indeed.

a reply to: thesaneone

Unreal that we have to pay criminals not to be criminals.

It depends on the reason why some turn to crime
This is an incentive for those who wish to get their life back on track ... they are mentored and have to prove they are earnest

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: greencmp

The French Revolution (French: Révolution française) was an influential period of social and political upheaval in France that lasted from 1789 until 1799. Inspired by liberal and radical ideas, the Revolution profoundly altered the course of modern history, triggering the global decline of theocracies and absolute monarchies while replacing them with republics and democracies. Through the Revolutionary Wars, it unleashed a wave of global conflicts that extended from the Caribbean to the Middle East. Historians widely regard the Revolution as one of the most important events in human history.[1]

Zowie indeed.

Great, so we can finally get rid of our king and chop off lots of heads?

Is that your basic point?

a reply to: Kukri

It made the streets safer for the rest of the community and thats the most important part.

i don't care what it costs if it helps us as a whole im all in lets do it.

hell i am willing to donate ALL of my time for room and board for an opportunity to move to another country and train kids on how to box and get ready for fights properly with no pay.

id do it just to do it because there are more important things in life than how much money i can earn.

a reply to: greencmp

No, just that the french revolution wasn't a bad thing. I don't have to agree with how they went about doing what they did, just that it accomplished something.
I guess kinda the same thought process of "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
You like that one right?

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: thesaneone

Unreal that we have to pay criminals not to be criminals.

It depends on the reason why some turn to crime
This is an incentive for those who wish to get their life back on track ... they are mentored and have to prove they are earnest

I don't care what the reason is crime is crime and I don't believe in rewarding those who choose that lifestyle.

a reply to: thesaneone

What if you had to live in this neighborhood and this program made it safer for your kids to get to the bus stop in the morning or walk to school?

But you dont care about those people do you?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: greencmp

No, just that the french revolution wasn't a bad thing. I don't have to agree with how they went about doing what they did, just that it accomplished something.
I guess kinda the same thought process of "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
You like that one right?

Not particularly, do you think Jefferson would say that now and desire the outcome which you advocate for?

a reply to: thesaneone

How about rewarding choosing to get out of it?

a reply to: Sremmos80

he didnt even read it they dont just hand it out to everyone that have to complete the program successfully its just like everything else in the judicial process

these people need to be mentored and taken our of survival mode in order to overcome the internal obstacles creating whatever situation it is they are going through

if you take someone already poverty stricken and throw them into a situation where they cant find a job and have less than they did when they began with no guidance and no hope for the future your creating a bigger problem

man i cant wait for the old guard ideas to die

a reply to: onequestion

I agree

I have never been concerned with money ... it is it's own prison

I live very modestly as a self employed artist ... I earn less than any on welfare ... but I am free to pursue my passion

I have seen many people turn their life around when given a chance rather than be judged and made an out cast

I place my trust in something bigger than all of us and it works for me

a reply to: onequestion

Ya it is clearly obvious that it doesn't matter, criminals are sub class citizens to some.

I guess people don't care about crime dropping, they would rather stand on their soap box about things.