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Ukraine............Preparing for full scale war..............

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posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: infinityorder



When Russia takes land it is for empire, when america does it is only for a strategic objective, where they once again fall back to american shores.


And what might that strategic objective be ?

To stay World hegemon ?...uhm, and that`s not for the Empire...?

No shortages of hypocrisy on your side being detected.


Does america span the world?

Does america even own the largest country on earth?

How about the most resources?

Oh wait, russia already owns the most land and resources of any country, but it still isn't enough....why is that?

Empire, that is the only reason...just like Germany "deserved" just like Japan "deserved" just like England "deserved" an empire.

It Is for the greed of a tyrant, nothing more.

Are you blind?




posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: LittleByLittle
From my point of view:

I cannot understand how people are still arguing over Crimea. People have a right to self determination even when they choose differently than your team/side wants.

77% inhabitants in 2001 census named Russian as their native language. 60.4% where native Russians. Face it Crimea is inhabited by Russians and have a right to leave Ukraine for Russia.

The Western part have a right to grow closer to EU. But as an EU citizen, I do not think we have a real need for them in EU since they have nothing real to offer that is beneficial. They are like Turkey. A border province that we add Nato for and use IMF banking schemes in, but have no real interest for them to open our borders for. EU already have enough unemployment and opening the border for Ukraine and Turkey is like USA making Mexico part of USA. Turkey and Ukraine will for a long while have EU membership dangling in front of them, but I do not think they will be added, if it is not used as an attack on the middle class in Europe.

About Donetsk People's Republic.
Even if 87.8% have Russian as speaking language in 2001 Census. It is not more Russians than Ukraine so where they belong is not that black and white. It is true that the coup was western influenced. But if there is a majority for Russia or Kiev I cannot be sure of.

en.wikipedia.org...


The Ukrainian ethnicity is 56.9% of the population (2,744,100 people); the Russian ethnicity is 38.2% of the population (1,844,400 people).[37]


Both sides suck in this conflict.

One the western side:
You have IMF/FED flying out Ukraine gold without informing the world.
Probably right wing fascist creating the coup in the first place as false flag.
Lots of propaganda lies.
US sending weapons and creating another puppet.

One the Russian side:
Was not letting democratic change happen to remove corruption so the mess could have been avoided before it started.
Stealing part of the production capability of eastern Ukraine when they rolled back the "help convoys" to Russia.
Lots of propaganda lies.

What I would like is an election in Donetsk People's Republic on a local level where all parts of Donetsk can choose independent/Part of Ukraine/Part of Russia, uninfluenced by both Ukraine and Russia, where the people can choose what they want and not what Western or Russian interest wants for them. It is called Democracy.


So then...once america is mostly mexican they get to just annex america?

By your logic this is what you are saying.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: infinityorder

If the majority of a place is Mexican and they want to join Mexico instead of staying in Mexico then yes. Democracy give people the right to choose where to belong not matter what the history have been. But for them to want to join Mexico, would not Mexico have to be a better deal than staying in USA?
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posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: infinityorder

WoW, you just do not realize that you are NOT the good guys, THEIR ARE NO GOOD GUYS.

And that just escapes you completely, the fact that your Nations Interests are not the PEOPLES INTERESTS.

You think that somehow Russia is coming to get you, and you gotta stop them unjust bastards.

It is so laughable it cannot be believed.



Umm..lol?

Russia can't even hold Americas jock..politically, financially, or especially militarily... Without nukes america could mop Russia in less than 3 months.

Russia is a Chihuahua at best compared to America.

Russia couldn't even fight off China if they had to.

Russia is a 55 year old boxer, too old too sorry to even take serious.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: infinityorder

Let see what you say about how well US is after the next bank crash and the fall of the petrodollar? It will be a big one and Russia, China and India are preparing themselves for it while US keeps trying to sell "there is not problems, everything is perfect".

www.usdebtclock.org...
You will never be able to pay it back and fix it. And that is why US needs a war to remove the economic problem.

Have you ever wondered why India and China and even Russia despite of the sanctions is still buying gold instead of using the money for other investments?
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posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: infinityorder

At least I`m not too blind to see how many military bases America has around the World and to see what`s really happening.

Nope, it`s against the greed of the Western Oligarchs...but hey, just keep believing the by them controlled media to tell you what goes on, I`m sure they will tell you the truth about it.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: LittleByLittle

Petro dollar migh tbe going away anyway if and when they introduce the fusion reactors in 5 yrs,but og course america will have the only working ones and will sell them to others in closed boxes that cant be backwards engineered without destroying them,and thereby putting the oil barons in the med out of business or at the US's mercy.

Up side is that Oil will still be used for other things. if i am not wrong they can extract hydrogen from oil too. Id cal the new economy the hydro dollar.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: infinityorder
Your speaking of America, the nation that is bankrupt?
The America you speak of only exists in cartoons and on the political stage.
At least Russia can balance it's budget.
I can't take seriously cheerleader's of a government that sold them out.
The farce is strong in this one.

edit on 21-2-2015 by all2human because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: infinityorder

Installing a puppet that can be controlled is the US way instead, with the manipulation of CIA. Why take over the land when you can get all the pros and none of the negatives of ownership thru puppets?

Then you can even claim you are not the aggressor, even when you steal all the resource thru corporations to your Empire. Both good economics and propaganda merits.



If it worked like you say, than we would have exclusive rights to the oil in Iraq.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: infinityorder




We have all of those at the behest of the countries they are in, to protect them from russia, not to attack it.


Now that is awesome thinking. If I suspect you might want to hurt me I'll just hold a gun on you,now don't complain. Not like I'm shooting or anything,just holding it on you for safety. Lol



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: infinityorder

Installing a puppet that can be controlled is the US way instead, with the manipulation of CIA. Why take over the land when you can get all the pros and none of the negatives of ownership thru puppets?

Then you can even claim you are not the aggressor, even when you steal all the resource thru corporations to your Empire. Both good economics and propaganda merits.



If it worked like you say, than we would have exclusive rights to the oil in Iraq.


It keeps failing lately...

- Iraq wasn`t playing along very nicely just recently, hence ISIS was send in

- Egypt didn`t go as planned

- Syria wasn`t also playing how they should play

- Iran is still an annoyance

- Russia, China and India are also not following the play-book

Since 9/11, The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars … And They’ve All Been Disasters



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse There is no reason they had to sever all ties with Russia. They could have been at peace with everyone.


So a free nation should be forced to deal with Russia or suffer war? There is no reason they had to sever all ties, there is also no reason they could not. They had a choice, they made it, and should have been free to do so. Or do you think countries should be FORCED to deal with the US and you support the US invading them to steal their land if they don't?



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Germany WW1



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: infinityorder

Installing a puppet that can be controlled is the US way instead, with the manipulation of CIA. Why take over the land when you can get all the pros and none of the negatives of ownership thru puppets?

Then you can even claim you are not the aggressor, even when you steal all the resource thru corporations to your Empire. Both good economics and propaganda merits.



If it worked like you say, than we would have exclusive rights to the oil in Iraq.


It keeps failing

- Russia, China and India are also not following the play-book



It seemed India was for awhile at least up until the Hotel bombing a few years back. Seems suddenly shortly after that things went downhill. Which reminds me.. Remember the previous Pakistani president? Didn't he die of cancer like recent Venezuela, Cuba, Palestinian leaders? You'd think they'd be grateful.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: yuppa

Germany WW1


And we all know how that turned out. Should we be forced to give out propriatary technology just because its the"right" thing to do? No we should not.

I imagine our fighters and ships will have fusion power engines before anything else though. No turn around time and only having to re arm would be very useful. Loitering would be easy then. imagine a aircraft able to stay alof and on station 24 hrs a day before shift change to another crew. WHile the other army has to refuel.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: infinityorder

Installing a puppet that can be controlled is the US way instead, with the manipulation of CIA. Why take over the land when you can get all the pros and none of the negatives of ownership thru puppets?

Then you can even claim you are not the aggressor, even when you steal all the resource thru corporations to your Empire. Both good economics and propaganda merits.



If it worked like you say, than we would have exclusive rights to the oil in Iraq.


But the corporations US politicians takes order from do hold exclusive rights on the oil in Iraq.

And Libya, Iraq, Iran all where wanting to leave the oil for Petrodollar scheme. That is not allowed. The US commandment is: Thou shall only sell oil and gas with US dollar. Everything else is heresy to the banking mafia and cannot be allowed.
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posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: LittleByLittle

originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: infinityorder

Installing a puppet that can be controlled is the US way instead, with the manipulation of CIA. Why take over the land when you can get all the pros and none of the negatives of ownership thru puppets?

Then you can even claim you are not the aggressor, even when you steal all the resource thru corporations to your Empire. Both good economics and propaganda merits.



If it worked like you say, than we would have exclusive rights to the oil in Iraq.


But the corporations US politicians takes order from do hold exclusive rights on the oil in Iraq.

And Libya, Iraq, Iran all where wanting to leave the oil for Petrodollar scheme. That is not allowed. The US commandment is: Thou shall only sell oil and gas with US dollar. Everything else is heresy to the banking mafia and cannot be allowed.


No, no. They hate us for our freedoms and wish to wage jihad. They hate us for our freedoms and wish to wage jihad.

Say it with me now: They hate us for our freedoms and wish to wage jihad.
for you!



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
A new government takes over and puts the people in jeopardy of being killed then they want others to join in to share the blame of killing their citizens. This way nobody who joined in with their effort can judge their actions.

The losers are the Ukrainian people here and the ones who pay for this war. Russia did not start this war, the ones who took over Ukraine did. There is no reason they had to sever all ties with Russia. They could have been at peace with everyone.

Why is it that they always want or force the people to choose sides?


I tend to agree, it wont matter one iota to the way ordinary people live their lives, if the administration is the Russian federation or the EEC. At the moment its two sets of idiots causing, death and property damage to the average person, who just want an end to it.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 08:57 PM
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Russia is a 55 year old boxer, too old too sorry to even take serious.


Last October, as per Kremlin's orders 2 million reserves in Russia were given upgraded training to be able to handle new equipment. It takes only 12 weeks at most to train a raw civilian into a soldier and that includes the fitness levels to run good 5 kms at a strech with 30 pounds of tools at hand.

Does Russia have the ability to deny USAF total air superiority...........yes it does. That means matters will come down to the ground level and then matters will not be pretty for the Yanks.

Anyways, now is the time Russia should provide some really advanced weapons to its soldiers in Ukraine. Items like GPS guided artillery shells and rockets. Ex: Krasnopol that can take out tanks, artillery, BTRs etc. This item alone can much reduce the losses in men and machines within the attacking party. Now NAF has turned into the offensive war and soon it will have to take Mariupol, Slaviansk, Odessa, Nikolaev and many other towns.

A nice drone flight with gather the coordinates of the Ukrop goodies and in few minutes these will be turned into junk. This will also allow Ukrop soldiers to surrender given the fight level has deteriorated immensly and fighting with guns and grenades alone would make little difference.

Lives will be saved on both the sides and Porky and team will be searching for plane tickets to run away overseas.



posted on Feb, 21 2015 @ 09:02 PM
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edit on 21-2-2015 by all2human because: (no reason given)




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