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originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: buster2010
100+ year old tradition? Israel hasn't been around for a hundred years simple.
Its been around longer than a Palestinian state has.
originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
That's a highly skewed look at it. When Britain came in and decided the land should be given to someone else, specifically people not from the region of course the natives are not going to want a 2 state solution. That's just absolutely asinine.
Who in their right minds would be ok with that? So many who support israel get butt hurt about Mexicans immigrating to america, shouldn't it be ok for them to come and set up Aztelan in the american southwest? It was all mexico less time ago than Davids Israel existed. But no because the truth is it's all do to race.
The logical fallacies believed by people who support the judeo-christian reich are utterly insane.
You think Britain would have went out on a limb if all the Jewish people that were being immigrated were sephardic or arab? Hell no, they did it because they were white jewish people, it's just another case of white imperialism using whatever ham fisted excuses they can to supplant a native population and to expand the holy empires.
No one wants to be ruled by foreign conquerors. The very idea that a population is unreasonable because they don't want their livelyhoods and homeland occupied is such a backasswards neo-liber-con sentiment it hurts my brain. Where the heck did people learn critical thinking skills?
My Fiances family never left Poland for that very reason, they may be jewish but they were poles, Palestine wasn't theirs and they weren't going to be threatened by a bunch of douchebags that refused to see their contribution and dedication to their homeland.
The fact that so many of the people conflate being jewish and being Israeli is not only disrespectful but bigoted in the extreme.
originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
They wanted the Jews to be restricted and living under their thumb as their overlords.
Funny thing is it ended up the other way around.
A report submitted to the United Nations Security Council by UN observers in the Golan Heights over the past 18 months shows that Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) have been in regular contact with Syrian rebels, including Islamic State (ISIS) militants.
Citing the UN report, Haaretz noted that there have been several instances detailed in the report that shows close ties between Syrian armed rebels and Israeli army.
According to the UN report, a person wounded on 15 September “was taken by armed members of the opposition across the ceasefire line, where he was transferred to a civilian ambulance escorted by an IDF vehicle.”
Moreover, from 9-19 November, the “UNDOF observed at least 10 wounded persons being transferred by armed members of the opposition from the Bravo side across the ceasefire line to IDF.”
As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.
Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.
Reports by UN observers in the Golan submitted to 15 members of Security Council detail regular contact between IDF officers and armed Syrian opposition figures at the border.
In the past three months, battle-hardened Syrian rebels have transported scores of wounded Syrians across a cease-fire line that has separated Israel from Syria since 1974, according to a 15-page report by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on the work of the U.N. Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF). Once in Israel, they receive medical treatment in a field clinic before being sent back to Syria, where, presumably, some will return to carry on the fight.
“UNDOF observed at least 10 wounded persons being transferred by armed members of the opposition from the Bravo side across the ceasefire line to IDF.”
September 15, a wounded individual “was taken by armed members of the opposition across the ceasefire line, where he was transferred to a civilian ambulance escorted by an IDF vehicle.”
originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Quit living in your little world of denial, you are clearly working an agenda here.
There is, for a fact, an actual UN report stating the numerous instances of Israel providing material aid to "al-Nusra" and other Syrian rebels, among whom are ISIS members - in fact, some of these Syrian rebels are the nastiest customers out there, Al-Qeada, Al-Nusra, ISIS/ISIL, etc....
If you disagree then link to me the report specifically mentioning Israeli aid to ISIS.
A statement issued by a group of Druze activists involved in humanitarian aid to their brethren in Syria accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions fighting against the Syrian government – by enabling them to get medical care.
"As we warned in the past, today it has become a fact that Israel supports all factions fighting the Syrian regime, and supplies them with weapons, and takes in the wounded of all faction, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Daesh," according to the statement issued by the group. "We call on members of the Druze sect to act severely toward Israel's policy."
The small Druze community in Israel, like the Druze in neighboring Syria and Lebanon, by and large support the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, favoring him over the Islamist rebels seeking to topple him.
Asked whether Israel does, in fact, hospitalize members of al-Nusra and Daesh (the Arabic acronym for the Islamic State organization), the military spokesman's office said: "In the past two years the Israel Defense Forces have been engaged in humanitarian, life-saving aid to wounded Syrians, irrespective of their identity."
Syria’s ambassador to the UN has also accused Israel of allowing cooperating with opposition fighters. Mr Bashar Ja’afari told Press TV that the militants have an “undeclared alliance with Israel and are engaged in a secret agreement” with the regime.
originally posted by: buster2010
Here is a link to UNDOF reports. United Nations Documents on UNDOF The last two reports for 2014 talks about Israels interaction with the Syrian rebels. Facts are that many of the people that make up ISIS came from the Syrian rebels.
“UNDOF sporadically observed armed members of the opposition interacting with IDF across the ceasefire line in the vicinity of United Nations position 85”
[October 27] "two unknown people entered Israel from the Syrian side of the border after two IDF soldiers had opened a gate, allowing them in. [snip] [IDF's] incursion into Syrian territory to set up tents for 60-70 families some 300 meters from the Israeli side.
[Haaretz] ...Damascus had sent a letter of complaint to UNDOF, claiming that the camp was a“base” for “armed terrorists,”and would be seen as a legitimate target for military engagement unless demolished by Israel.
[June 10, 2014] [snip] UN observers witnessed IDF soldiers handing two boxes with unknown contents to Syrian rebels on the Syrian side of the border.