War On Christianity? Of course not..try telling that to Fox though

a reply to: greencmp

It had to do with you saying lets take all ideologies out of school.

And no, it is not an epithet
cap·i·tal·ism
ˈkapədlˌizəm/
noun
noun: capitalism

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

a reply to: Sremmos80

free market

noun
1. an economic system in which prices and wages are determined by unrestricted competition between businesses, without government regulation or fear of monopolies.

In modern society the term ‘Capitalism’ is used imprecisely and inaccurately. Many scholars suggest that the term ‘Capitalism’ and its related term ‘Capitalist,’ was first derived in the English vernacular from a translation of the pejorative term used by Karl Marx in the mid to late nineteenth century to describe the class of men he called the elite “bourgeois” society who owned and controlled “society’s capital resources.”

a reply to: greencmp

Awesome you can link words too, doesn't change what capitalism is.

We are far off topic though so we can just leave it at agree to disagree.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I do disagree with you entirely and most emphatically.

So, I am making a stand against the idea that free markets are evil and bad and should not be taught in schools or have representatives in government jobs or offices. Because that is what Buster was saying and I don't think that either of you realizes it.

a reply to: Sremmos80

We've been chatting in another thread about just how many socialist (and communist and Marxist) elements Christianity actually has.

I'm sure that now is not the time to bring that up here.

I wonder though, do you think Christians understand that they want everyone to either share in their beliefs or stay quiet about it if we don't? And that anything else is going to be exaggerated to the level of hatred, bigotry, and "war"?

It's a very "all or nothing" system.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes, the christians are some of the most vehement socialists out there.

a reply to: greencmp

And you are dodging the very question of if the system your avatar is based on should be taught since it is an ideology.
Seems you only want those that you agree with taught and those you don't not.
Is censorship part of your values

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes, very with us or against us mentality.

Pretty sure that is exactly how the J-man wanted it too.
/shrug

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes, the christians are some of the most vehement socialists out there.

I know, right!

Makes a lot of the mainstream right-wing media stuff look downright silly, don't it?

a reply to: Sremmos80

So, I will say it again without equivocation.

"I believe that children should be taught that they are free to interact nonviolently with others." -greencmp

a reply to: Sremmos80

Oh yeah, you're alluding to Not So Warm and Fuzzy Jesus. Reminds me of His dad in the OT at His worst.

34 Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;'36 and a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. (Matthew 10:34-36)

a reply to: Gryphon66

Well we need to toss the OT out the window, we all know that any true christian doesn't follow any of that duh!!

Gosh don't you know anything!

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sremmos80

We've been chatting in another thread about just how many socialist (and communist and Marxist) elements Christianity actually has.

I'm sure that now is not the time to bring that up here.

I wonder though, do you think Christians understand that they want everyone to either share in their beliefs or stay quiet about it if we don't? And that anything else is going to be exaggerated to the level of hatred, bigotry, and "war"?

It's a very "all or nothing" system.

C.S. Lewis didn't hide the fact that he thought a truly Christian world would be socialistic but the only way it would work would be to have Christ preside over this as only he could be incorruptible and just etc.

Your latter point could equally be applied to those on the flip side. We are all invested in our own view points. Hard to believe with the hatred spewed about the religion just how crucial it was in abolishing slavery, the civil rights movement, setting up free education, spreading ideas of charity ( still the most giving religion by far and most involved in humanitarian efforts).

a reply to: NihilistSanta

"But it's for your own good." - C. S. Lewis on Tyranny

My contention is that good men (not bad men) consistently acting upon that position [imposing “the good”] would act as cruelly and unjustly as the greatest tyrants. They might in some respects act even worse. Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under of robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some points be satiated; but those who torment us for their own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to heaven yet at the same time likely to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on the level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. -C. S. Lewis

a reply to: Sremmos80

Mea culpa!

Mea maxima culpa!

/lashes

a reply to: NihilistSanta

I guess I have more faith in humanity than CS Lewis, although I do love parts of some of his works, like The Screwtape Letters

We are all invested in our viewpoints, yes.

There are many that are overbearing in the expansion and defense of their viewpoints, yes.

I disagree with you about Christianity's merits, because each of those also has a unpleasant flip-side. Christianity has also (like most religious systems) as a social control system throughout history.

But that's not the debate here, per se., and I really don't want to "attack" your image of your Christianity, particularly in a thread where I'm arguing that there are no concerted attacks on Christianity.

You're right, that wouldn't be polite, so I'll agree to disagree.

most of the replys are just missing full logic....I want the truth out about the global trend....islam is attacking...so are some needing to refuse to be a victim of the lies of this world....?
c;mon now lets tell the truth here....what is blessedabout this nation.....the US....it was spoken of in Scripture wayy back,men.....we have two shining seas and all the natural resources and the modern leisure lifestyle.....I could fill volumes but please refuse to be a victim of the worldly view. There's more if you will seek it.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
most of the replys are just missing full logic....I want the truth out about the global trend....islam is attacking...so are some needing to refuse to be a victim of the lies of this world....?
c;mon now lets tell the truth here....what is blessedabout this nation.....the US....it was spoken of in Scripture wayy back,men.....we have two shining seas and all the natural resources and the modern leisure lifestyle.....I could fill volumes but please refuse to be a victim of the worldly view. There's more if you will seek it.

The Bible predicted the United States of America?!?

Where exactly? Could you provide chapter and verse?

a reply to: Gryphon66

REALLY?

I think MAYBE the "Land in the wilderness" MIGHT insinuate it but I doubt it.

a reply to: greencmp

"It's for your own good"?

Ah, you mean like the pious blathering of the fully-fed to the hungry and the poor to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps"

Tyrannical might be a bit strong for that perspective; I think "arrogantly selfish" would suffice.

Jesus instructed his followers to help feed the hungry and clothe the poor.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

REALLY?

I think MAYBE the "Land in the wilderness" MIGHT insinuate it but I doubt it.

Uh ... what?

Are you responding for GBP?