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"50 Shades of Grey" and it's Effects on Women.

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posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: ghostrager

Paraphrasing here.

"The thing that makes '50 Shades of Gray' a romance is the fact that Gray is an attractive billionaire. If it were a less attractive guy who made an average wage, it would be a story for Law and Order: SVU"

-Anonymous

I'd say this is about right. That and maybe it shows what some believe, in that all women deep down want to be dominated to one degree or another. Not sure how I feel about that, but it does scare me a little when I think about past lovers all at one point wanting me to be.."rough".




posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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I find it interesting that so many women find this kind of stuff "erotic" or a turn on.

One *could* argue that a date rapist may think he's following in the footsteps of Christian Grey. I mean, hundreds of thousands of women wish they could be Ana, women must really like this lifestyle!

That's what I mean by mixed messages. On one hand we're told skimpy clothing and being drunk does not imply consent, yet movies about abuse, power, control, and near-rape are what women are throwing money at. They appear to like it.

Edit to add: I'm in no way trying to intentionally over-generalize or stereotype. I'm simply pointing out that the fact that some sick males may get it in their heads that their behavior is OK because women seem to throw money at this kind of movie.


edit on 20-2-2015 by MystikMushroom because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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Urrrmph (Lifts mask of gimp suit and removes ball gag so he can speak)... ah, okay... fifty shades? People maturing in the theaters? I'd think two hours of maturation is expected with any movie... even this Disney-esque Mom porn romp! Even two hours of masturbation, except for that one movie... American Sniper? Couldn't masturbate to that... though I sure tried... (puts gag and mask back... adjusts high heeled hip boots and herds the 18 year olds back to the dungeon).



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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I guess restraint of pen and tongue is out of the question....



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Freedom is a scary thing. We can't lock everything down to proactively prevent what the most depraved and degenerate amongst us might choose to do. There have always been, and there will always be sickos. I think we all here, better than most, know what lies in the direction of clamping down on everything to avoid the worst case scenario.

We sure don't want the government (those simps who brought you the TSA and Patriot Act) involved. What's the answer? My answer is, don't patronize what's objectionable to you and let adults at the age of consent with the capacity to consent do whatever they consent to do. Maybe (maybe) if there wasn't such a forbidden fruit element to all of it, it wouldn't attract so much attention. I'm already bored with it and I haven't seen or read any of it.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

i guess its more of disgusted but oh well im a good person lol



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I think part of the point of this post is that these people aren't carrying on in their bedrooms.

While I partially agree that what goes on in your bedroom is your business, this is outside of it now. Masturbating in theatres and selling sex toys in Target is NOT in anyone's bedroom.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: yeahright

It's not the forbidden fruit so much as the lack of decency.

You can forbidden your fruit all you want in your own way on your own time, but when you start bringing it out where my family is being subjected to it ... it stops being a choice as to whether or not I want to patronize it.

Decency doesn't mean you don't ever do it or think it's dirty. Decency simply means that you respect the wishes of others not to be subjected to what you do when such things should be private.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: MystikMushroom

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I think we all here, better than most, know what lies in the direction of clamping down on everything to avoid the worst case scenario.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

I agree, and I don't think anyone in this thread has favored censorship. Those (myself included) who have expressed dismay are simply, well, doing that.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

What's the answer? My answer is, don't patronize what's objectionable to you and let adults at the age of consent with the capacity to consent do whatever they consent to do.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
...Aaaand, use freedom of speech to express our dismay. Pretty much what (I think) those who find it objectionable are doing... objecting to it.


We cool??

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posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom


Edit to add: I'm in no way trying to intentionally over-generalize or stereotype. I'm simply pointing out that the fact that some sick males may get it in their heads that their behavior is OK because women seem to throw money at this kind of movie.

You said the key word. "Sick". Out of touch with reality. Some people have been convinced it was okay to kill a bunch of people too. They felt justified in doing it. But it was still wrong.


One *could* argue that a date rapist may think he's following in the footsteps of Christian Grey. I mean, hundreds of thousands of women wish they could be Ana, women must really like this lifestyle!

What they like is the fact they can explore the "dark side" of their sexuality with a man they can put that much trust in. Something that is a bit of a rarity for women to find. Someone who understands that submission is not weakness. It is in fact the opposite. In some BDSM circles, submissive women are looked up to as the pinnacle of human strength and endurance. They are like goddesses, in a manner of speaking. It isn't easy for those outside of the lifestyle to understand.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko




Decency doesn't mean you don't ever do it or think it's dirty. Decency simply means that you respect the wishes of others not to be subjected to what you do when such things should be private.


Well said... I think it's decent to have a morning crap. It's natural and a part of life.
I DO NOT think it's decent to have a morning crap on my neighbor's front lawn. It's disrespectful and rude to subject them to that.

Some things simply are meant to be... private. It doesn't mean they're bad.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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A funny trailer review ...





posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:42 PM
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Something I read recently sort of applies to this conversation, in terms of the ever-changing of social mores regarding what is acceptable and what is abhorrent, and everything in between. It spoke of cultural norms being a mirror of society at large, yet at the same time shaping society by way of feedback/validation to what is deemed 'normal.'

I cannot find the exact source, but here is a similar quote:




Popular culture matters because in reflecting, expressing, and validating
the spirit of our epoch, it generates meaning, and not only interacts with and
situates the current state of our society, but also helps shape and inform its future.


Popular Culture

So yeah, we can let everybody be free to watch, read, listen to anything. That's the whole idea of freedom. I myself enjoy said freedoms. Still, we needn't keep our heads in the sand about the fact that popular culture is both a product of, and a catalyst for, the changing society from which it springs forth.

It is what it is.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: ghostrager

Wow!
Enough of the puritan pearl clutching!

How do you function in 2015 without fainting whenever you see a bare ankle?

It must be horrific for you to live in such an enlightened age, what with all this perfectly natural sexual activity going on in peoples lives.

If anyone is "abnormal" in this entire scenario, I'm afraid it's you. Sex is natural, kink isn't new, people enjoy themselves and enjoy their bodies. The only person "wrong" in all of this is the puritan Bible thumper sitting in the corner denying nature in favor of condemnation and judgment.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Klassified
I like movies and TV shows about pirates and Vikings. Does that mean I suddenly want to be treated like one? Or is it possible that maybe, just maybe, it entertains me.


The simple minded puritans who want to inflict their morality onto society care not for common sense. Blaming media is easy to do, while ignoring the complete lack of correlation between violence and media. For instance, the most violent countries on Earth have strict rules about porn, yet somehow, those countries where porn is illegal are the ones with the highest levels of rape, sexual assault and murder.

Rape and the sexual exploitation of women is pandemic in some Muslim countries, Christian African nations, certain parts of Asia etc, and yet these places have no sex shops, little or no access to the internet, no adult TV stations and no cinemas showing 50 Shades.

I wonder how the feminist extremists who brainlessly associate a healthy attitude to sex with the rape and sexual abuse of women explain that?



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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It's interesting, watching people react to this phenomenon, as it is now "main-stream". It reminds me of the whole art-statue debate, showing male genitals. It was some years back, and not nearly as popular as this particulate movie/book set is. But the arguments were similar, and people were screaming about it being indecent.

What's amusing is how everyone is screaming about morals. A persons's Morals are personal, not social; yet we see people's morals being set by social acceptance. To force your personal moral set onto someone else is not appropriate, and typically not welcome. If you find something that offends your moral sensibilities, avoid it, but understand, there are others who are not offended by such things, and your only right is to look away, as you do not have the right to infringe upon their right to view such things.

You show someone a picture, they will see one thing. You show the same picture to someone else, they will see something totally different. The interesting thing is, people will always see what they WANT TO SEE in something that is left open to interpretation, unless you are specific in what you WISH them to see.

Funny watching people get all silly over a silly movie about a subject that is taboo. Reminds me of elementary school, or when certain double-meaning words were used in every day conversation. The giggles. /sigh



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: ghostrager

Women havent changed. Theyve been reading thwir erotica all along. This one just got a lot of attention because it started as twilight fan fiction and piggy backed off that success.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Rocker2013




Wow!
Enough of the puritan pearl clutching!

How do you function in 2015 without fainting whenever you see a bare ankle?


Orrr... you could maybe state your opinion instead of blatantly attacking another member?



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: Cygnis

I don't think I've ever seen so many closed minded people in one thread before. So many prudes. Also, it seems that most of the prudes here are men. Lol. You guys clearly have no idea about women's desires.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Cygnis

I don't think I've ever seen so many closed minded people in one thread before. So many prudes. Also, it seems that most of the prudes here are men. Lol. You guys clearly have no idea about women's desires.


I don't like to paint everybody with the same brush. Not all men have the same thoughts/desires. Not all women have the same thoughts/desires. I am a woman with my own personal thoughts/desires.



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