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Non-Extraterrestrial UFO Hypotheses

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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 09:49 PM
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The whole concept of meaning, though, is individual. There may be a 'reason' something is the way it is; but that isn't meaning. If a person were to arbitrarily choose to attribute meaning to a given sequence of events, I don't really see that as inappropriate, unless it were so extreme it caused some side-effect that was damaging. I think a great deal of the definition of reality has to do with 'meaning' and what we choose to assign to things.

I've known people who didn't consider much of anything to mean anything -- they were much like that saying that "nothing is interesting for the person who is not interested." To them, they lived in a meaningless universe, and they and their life were unimportant, meaningless events, and so that's how they interpreted everything. I tend to feel like the ability to provide a context of meaning for the things in my life is what makes it 'living' vs. 'existing,' and worth the bleepin' time to get up in the morning.

I also think that bringing in 'probability' has a lot to do with what we allow, and the more 'meaning' one has and hence some opening to what might occur if-something-meant-something can be good.




posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

It's VERY simple.

You can flood your synapses all you want and nothing will happen,
unless the following elements are in play:

1) your narrative, story-telling mind goes quiet.
2) you become willing to have your 'energy system' penetrated by a non-human intelligence.
3) you either walk around a hot spot like some earthquake fault area or other areas that can
give you a power boost, or
4) a shaman wakes up 'spirits' and let's them symbiotically live with him/her
(you become your own hot spot)
5) you (as RC was saying) learn to both be very passionate and to let go simultaneously..
this is the trigger that allows high strangeness to happen. It's the absolute letting go
part which is the last 'safety device' that prevents high strangeness in most cases.

That's it...

Kev



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: 1ofthe9

Why exactly do you want some unwitting shaman to summon
bad ju ju to your land?

You've mentioned this before ...

Kev



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
I had to laugh at 3……
tetra



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:04 PM
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This is what I've managed.

Not sure how to pull of something more impressive. Certainly felt the daemonic dread at times - alas there were no saucers or anything of note resulting. Not quite sure how to let go I guess.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
I had to laugh at 3……
tetra


Well stagnant information which doesn't flow anywhere,
won't affect anything outside of yourself.

If a person doesn't know how to 'blow their seeds upon
the currents' by a version of what a yoga person might call
Samyama, or a magician would call something more occult
sounding,

then your only choice is for some 'wave' to blow through you
and distribute your 'information seeds' to the environment,
such as a UAP or Earthlight might generate.

It's really that simple.

Kev



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Why exactly do you want some unwitting shaman to summon
bad ju ju to your land?

You've mentioned this before ...

Kev


So we can poke it with a stick.

I've tried sigils if thats what you mean.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: RedCairo

*Redacted due to exploding head syndrome
edit on 26-2-2015 by Bybyots because: . : .



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Why exactly do you want some unwitting shaman to summon
bad ju ju to your land?

You've mentioned this before ...

Kev


So we can poke it with a stick.

I've tried sigils if thats what you mean.


And what exactly do you hope to gain by that?

Kev



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: jritzmann
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Indeed. I think we're surrounded by Magicians.


Ah. Would you be talking about "project disclosure" Magicians?
Fake radar trace making Magicians?
Staged Rendlesham event making Magicians?

So many to choose from.

I was referring to the 'real ones' actually.

Kev



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
yes it really is that simple.
and I couldn't have said it better.
tetra



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You can flood your synapses all you want and nothing will happen

only if you are a Guru



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Why exactly do you want some unwitting shaman to summon
bad ju ju to your land?

You've mentioned this before ...

Kev


So we can poke it with a stick.

I've tried sigils if thats what you mean.


And what exactly do you hope to gain by that?

Kev


Someone has to do it.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: jritzmann

Thank you for the links. I'll get started on them tomorrow.

Your posts really resonated with me - and are rather gratifying in how I responded and explained to my children our last occurrences of 'paranormal' activity.

It was around back in August/September. I rented a different house then, and we moved because of the emotional turmoil that surrounded us in living in that house. Which I feel was contributing to the 'paranormal' perception we had at the time.

Here is what happened.

We began noticing in the home instances where we would here growling, lights flickering, strange sounds in the house. Such as hearing somebody upstairs when everyone was downstairs. This went on for a few weeks, and the six of us in my family unit were all beginning to notice the strangeness. The kids were beginning to wonder if after four years living in the home, we'd suddenly picked up a ghost and were haunted.

I had to sit back and really think about where the occurrences were stemming from. I've been well - no emotional upheaval or fighting in the household. I was a bit stumped... until...

Amidst all this turmoil my neighbor shows up, bloody and battered from her new boyfriend that had moved in quite literally around the same time the disturbances started in my household. Case solved, at least in my mind. How to help the kids understand it...

It wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be to help the kids understand that what we were experiencing was an empathic reaction to the turmoil the neighbors were going through. Even though we didn't realize it - in retrospect - we could hear the neighbors yelling at one another, particularly at night. We saw them outside yelling at each other and pushing each other around. Were aware one day when we went outside that a window had been smashed from fighting in the house. It wasn't until she showed up at my door, needing to call the police, that it clicked though. My poltergeist activity had everything to do with the emotional turmoil and trauma occurring at my neighbors and it was bleeding over into my family dynamics manifesting as 'ghosts'.

Once I identified what the source of our 'haunting' was, I sat my children down to have a discussion about consciousness and empathy - explaining to them that we were reacting to something our subconscious was picking up on. That sometimes we don't realize the cues our brain gives us to warn us something isn't right in our environment. After the conversation, the activity pretty much dissolved. Having identified the source and addressing it - pretty much solved the problem. At least for us. And thankfully, my neighbors boyfriend went to jail that night she showed up at the door. But he was soon back, after he got out.

We decided it was time to move.

CdT



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: RedCairo

*Redacted due to exploding head syndrome

Oh hell, so I had to go actually look it up.

I see 'auditory sleep starts' is not nearly as interesting a label as 'exploding head syndrome.' I can't decide if I should be glad there is an experience I haven't actually had, or disappointed. The only time I ever heard a bomb going off was when I was remote viewing -- it scared the crap out of me and I probably came six inches off the surface I was sitting on -- but it turned out to be the target of the OKC bombing, so I think I get a pass for that and not a label. Not today anyway!



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Why exactly do you want some unwitting shaman to summon
bad ju ju to your land?

You've mentioned this before ...

Kev


So we can poke it with a stick.

I've tried sigils if thats what you mean.


And what exactly do you hope to gain by that?

Kev


Someone has to do it.


I'm dubious about that.

The only safe way to 'prove the trickster' is to find the
'path through the eye of the needle' ; the dead center
of the storm and to invite the 'Trickster' to deconstruct
'itself' for 'you'.

You'd have to know the 'secret disarming code'
so to speak.

And since I'm 100.00000000000000000000000000000%
convinced that the 'Trickster' is actually a
'cargo cult confusion' for a simple process (life form)
(Shaman especially and humans in general see everything
as a 'life form),

'poking it with a stick' will be like a monkey poking at
the nuclear detonation button on an atom bomb.

But yes, I want to make progress as well.

Kev



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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I wrote a couple of things that might help you get the idea of what I mean by defining the different phenomena.
The Paranormal Escape Hatch – Part I
The Paranormal Escape Hatch – Part 2: Hoaxes and Delusion
I'll be curious to your thoughts.
a reply to: jritzmann

Very interesting articles. I've never quite considered before the idea that hoaxers are compelled to create hoaxes by the phenomenon itself.

This leads one to the trickster archetype put forward by Dr. Vallee in my mind.

I've had a shared missing time episode in the past with a friend. About four hours of time disappeared from both mine and my friends perception, with no external explanation such as drugs or alcohol attributing to the black out. It's unnerving to consider something very real world and terrible happened to me, and I'm simply blocking out the terrible truth. If I was a believer in hypnotherapy I'd give it a shot. But I'm so creative and well versed in the paranormal - that I fear I'd create whatever it is my subconscious has a desire to create and the results would be flawed anyways.

What I took away, that I think many paranormal investigators could benefit from - is the needed added tests and avenues of investigation - to measure energies that are overlooked in these investigations.


So what if EVPs work the same way – but across time. What if there’s a “skip” that runs time like radio waves ride an ionosphere. I already hear people asking how. What causes such an anomaly to happen? Who knows. But has anyone in the ghost or EVP research community ever logged ionospheric conditions when a good class A EVP is captured? Probably not.

Source

I would imagine that the equipment needed to measure things like the ionospheric conditions and the like - would become very expensive. So is it fair to say, the field researchers we see on television or in Paranormal Research Societies: attempting to gather empirical evidence, are working within a narrow range of measurements. Which is not gathering a complete and accurate picture (of possible scientific measurements that can be taken) of what might be occurring during these paranormal events or in these "hot spots".

It appears that we are even flawed on the surface of how we collect information from people who experience these events; and what the environment is that those people are in - during the experience. Since emotions are pertinent to perception - it would become paramount to collect information of a very personal nature. To be aware of major changes or emotional upheaval in the community, and factor in that data in exploring paranormal events.

I wonder what it would take to change that? Short of a government grant funding the research.

CdT


edit on 27-2-2015 by CirqueDeTruth because: Severely flawed grammar.



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: jritzmann

You say a state of change is the probable cause behind most paranormal events or occurrences, like moving, de-constructing and rebuilding.

What happens if these events go hand to hand with religion or spiritualists as they usually are, with lets say an Atheist who found God or what not, and becomes reborn in a sense. Now, would this sudden change in perception or belief be a heavy agent of change or cause and effect with the paranormal where something goes off in the brain and cause the appearance of UFO's. Even though this change, was cause by someone who is from the realm of normal.

Like how it believe(not 110%, heard through grapevine) that people who go to church have a certain type of activity going off in the brain, like "Alpha Waves" rippling from the mind, and kind of re-creates a placebo effect, change something in the body. Now if these waves, or emotions of faith become strong would it be possibly that it will likely trigger it.

I mention this because, when I was in my early teens, I kind of got into the God, although I wasn't no altar boy, and was practicing faith if you get my drift. And I could remember certain changes in my body at the time before a event happened, that literally shook my view of reality or faith for that matter, although albeit after this change or start in my lets say... spiritual journey. Although I did kind of go paradolia about and pretend it never happen, till I recalled it in high school.

The apparition was monstrous in size and happened for a few short moments. It was not a UFO, and I rather not go into detail about it, other then I have never seen a cloud move like it...EVER. Scouts Honor.
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posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: jritzmann

In my experience anyway, "perceived reality"
alternates in layers of apparently
deterministic and apparently probability
or quantum weirdness based.

Not just 2 layers either. ..but many...like
a childs game of pretend, where two
children take turns being 'the adult' and
the other plays the 'magical role'.

So I'm saying that there are both
deterministic and non deterministic
inputs to 'the Trickster'.

Now the most obvious input to the
Trickster is us.....we are the most
chaotic input to the system.

If you can delude enough people
into thinking something is 'real'
then to some degree it becomes
real.

Now where the boundary is between
'actually real' and (throwing you a bone
BB) 'temporal lobe kindling real' I don't
know. It would be interesting to
research that....and better than just
using the frustrated tweenager
poltergeist scenario.

I guess Im saying it's turtles all the way
down as they say. But I do think we could
find the first deterministic layer eventually.

Kev



posted on Feb, 27 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: jritzmann

Yes. Hoaxers and True Believers both are in
the Jaws of the Trickster. Well done.




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