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By the way, I used to work as a Wastewater Laboratory Analyst and a Class 3 Wastewater Operator, so I'm not Average Joe off the street. Because of those licenses, the EPA says I know what I'm talking about when it comes to water treatment, and they'd rather I didn't say anything at all.
This first blog I address the complaints about a soapy taste and people claiming Fluoride has no taste. Now before I point this out, in the video he says that Sodium Fluoride isn't used anymore. Actually it's still used in small scale water systems, but that's just splitting hairs. There's 2 components to Sodium Fluoride. There's Sodium. And there's Fluoride. Guess which one we're very familiar with the taste of? Sodium sure doesn't taste like soap. Not even in Sodium Chloride or Sodium Bicarbonate.
In this next one, I point out that the same Fluoridated water that's meant to strengthen people's teeth is also used to flush your toilet, among other non-teeth-related uses. I believe that taxpayers will ignore any "cost to benefit" explanations and just be generally offended that those tax dollars spent on Fluoridation are being flushed... unless your dog drinks out of your toilet a lot, in which case your dog's teeth might benefit.
This next one I try to illustrate that 1ppm is suggested by the EPA, the CDC suggests 2-4 ppm can start to show dental fluorosis, and the WHO shows that 10-25 ppm can lead to skeletal fluorosis. Since some people don't quite get how PPM comes into play and just think "Hey 10 is a bigger number than 1", I try to illustrate it with tiny graphs with little dots filled in.
And there's a post I made on slashdot.org about a Pubmed listing for a Fluoride spill affecting serum testosterone levels. Yes it's a "spill" and not just what comes out of your tap, but Fluoride having an effect on Testosterone levels should be taken seriously by any man.
originally posted by: babybunnies
Water fluoridation conspiracies are the equivalent of anti vaxxers.
Nonsense science, no backing in reality, and absolutely no risks to the public.
The entire anti fluoridation movement, like the anti vaxxer movement, is based on urban myths.
originally posted by: Realtruth
originally posted by: babybunnies
Water fluoridation conspiracies are the equivalent of anti vaxxers.
Nonsense science, no backing in reality, and absolutely no risks to the public.
The entire anti fluoridation movement, like the anti vaxxer movement, is based on urban myths.
No it's completely different. If we remove the science, health issues and focus on individual rights we see a major breakdown.
People have a choice whether or not to get vaccines, they have no choice when fluoride is put directly into their drinking, bathing and cooking water.
One completely over-rides individuals rights, and says that the government knows what is best for all people. This type of government is far from democracy.
originally posted by: Trihalo42
a reply to: artistpoet
Fist off, I'm amazed this dead horse is still on the front page.
Please note that Chlorine has been replaced with Chloramine in many cities. Chloramine is a combination of Chlorine and Ammonia, the same two things we try hard to not mix when cleaning. It usually exists in 3 states depending on temp and pH, mono- di- and tri- Chloramine. The biggest issue many of us have is that it appears to trigger asthma effects in some people similar to nitrates and cases a reddening of the skin in some as well. This is likely a function of the ammonia/nitrogen component relating to methemoglobinemia.
Removal of Chloramine is a bit more challenging, as it has a boiling point near that of water, as opposed to plain Chlorine evaporating at near room temperatures. Usually the addition of ascorbic acid will do the trick. Ascorbic Acid is also used by water treatment facilities as a cheap method of removing Chlorine from treated water.
originally posted by: Trihalo42
a reply to: superman2012
Oh I'm loving the hate and hostility from you superman2012. You say that Wastewater has nothing to do with Water treatment, assuming that being in Wastewater I have no knowledge of Water treatment. And now you're unaware of why we add Chlorine and then remove it? You did say you had a Wastewater license of some sort didn't you?
Here's a little clip from a Wastewater manual in pdf form for you:
www.ragsdaleandassociates.com...
Ragsdale and Associates: Training Specialists, LLC 11-1
Dechlorination
"For years wastewater treatment plant effluents have been disinfected with chlorine. In some cases, excessive amounts of chlorine were used in an effort to meet new, or get around, ammonia removal requirements that were added to NPDES permits in the early 1980s. This resulted in total residual chlorine (TRC) concentrations in the effluent that far exceeded the levels needed to kill fecal coliform bacteria."
"The addition of these higher levels of chlorine proved to be hazardous to both plant life and fish in the receiving waters. Systems are now required to dechlorinate any chlorinated effluent before it is discharged into a receiving stream or lake. Sulfur chemicals are used to remove chlorine residuals."
All this tells me that you are on a Next Level of Bull#, and if you actually do have a certification in Wastewater or even in Collections, they should take it from you.
Ascorbic Acid is also used by water treatment facilities as a cheap method of removing Chlorine from treated water.
originally posted by: SkipperJohn
a reply to: superman2012
And a youtube video told you this? I forgot, it was on the Internet so it has to be true.how about a good 'ol fashion ats vote. It's kind of funny you are the only one still defending this and your buddy's left you hanging .
originally posted by: Trihalo42
a reply to: superman2012
"I have little patience for lies". That's just being overly judgmental, as the things I listed in my original post were about Fluoride concentrations and reports of a "soapy taste", my personal opinion on wasted tax dollars,... and claiming that showing PPM in graph form is me trying to create "fear" is just silly..., and I said that the study about SHBG and free T levels didn't directly relate to tap water, but they did have some relevance as the key chemical in question was Fluoride.
Fluoride has been officially declared to have an effect on endocrine systems. same as quite a few other chemicals we consume regularly.
But my first point about taste was focused on DOSE and Toxic Levels. In the report on pesticides, and the study, it was at a TOXIC level of Fluoride exposure that people began to experience a "soapy taste". My overall point being that over consumption of Fluoride containing products can have a cumulative effect. One of the symptoms thereof being a "soapy taste".