Russia 'danger' to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia - Fallon

a reply to: Xcathdra

Give us a source. I bet you can't do that.

But, you are right. Russia could definitely be able to take on NATO, and defeat it. Only with the help of the US, the result might be different.

As for Russian units / weapons support / manpower support I think the west should pull an Adlai Stevenson at the UN. Call a meeting and present all of the evidence to support the claims against Russia an go from there.

Don't you think that, if they had anything, they would be releasing it a long time ago? And not just give us some ridiculous stories like that one when a couple of the guardian reporters saw Russian troops entering Ukraine, but they forgot their cameras?

If you guys had ANY proof what so ever, you would have showed us already. But, you can't. And that's why all you do is post ridiculous stuff. Comparing Putin to Hitler. And making stuff up, kinda like this thread.

a reply to: Nikola014

Except proof has been shown, over and over, constantly. And it's either picked apart or dismissed entirely as fake.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, short of Putin himself holding a press conference where he admits sending troops and armor into Ukraine, you won't believe anything those who "lean west" have to say.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

...and if so, why wouldn`t he do so with NATO sending offensive weapons to the Ukraine ?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Evidence of NATO/EU support came along only very late in the current conflict. Evidence of Russian support has been there from the very beginning. For one, I hope NATO continues to give armaments and armor to Ukraine. The ceasefire has been a complete farce anyway.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I hope NATO continues to give armaments and armor to Ukraine.

...sure you do, let the fighting continue just as in Syria.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Well, if as you say the proof has been shown over and over again, constantly, please, care to show it for the majority of the people here on ATS? Because I do not believe many of us had actually seen ANY. I mean, I've been discussing it with people here since the beginning of this conflict, and not ONE proof has ever been shown. I've never seen any evidence that can clearly show us the presence of the Russian military in Ukraine. Putin himself is saying that the volunteers from Russia are fighting in Ukraine, and we all know that they are sending weapons to Russians, but that's it. They didn't sent their military there. If they had, Ukraine would be conquered 7 months ago.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, short of Putin himself holding a press conference where he admits sending troops and armor into Ukraine, you won't believe anything those who "lean west" have to say.

I doubt who's the ignorant one on this subject.

a reply to: Nikola014

I've been in many threads where this proof was posted. You have as well. I won't muddy the thread's topic by reigniting old, pointless debates.

a reply to: Nikola014

not ONE proof has ever been shown that can prove the Russian military troops are in Ukraine.

Yes there is.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I've said it before and I'll say it again, short of Putin himself holding a press conference where he admits sending troops and armor into Ukraine, you won't believe anything those who "lean west" have to say.

That's not true. We still have people on here that deny Russia invaded Crimea even though Putin admitted the little green men were Russian troops.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I hope NATO continues to give armaments and armor to Ukraine.

So you support weapons are given to conduct Crimes against humanity ?

And there can be no doubts whatsoever that this will happen. The militia continues to provide documented evidence of Kiev’s use of NATO-standard weapons, such as Paladin M109 self-propelled howitzers, portable Javelin anti-tank weapons systems, and small arms (M16 rifles and much more).

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Yes, artillery has been used on a daily basis against civilians !

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

A bit off topic but I've got a question for you. Why do you continue to condemn the Ukrainian government for attacking rebel strongholds that contain civilians but have never done so for Syria doing the same thing. Why do you continue to support the legitimacy of the Ukrainian separatists but deny the Syrian rebels the same support?

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I hope NATO continues to give armaments and armor to Ukraine.

So you support weapons are given to conduct Crimes against humanity ?

And there can be no doubts whatsoever that this will happen. The militia continues to provide documented evidence of Kiev’s use of NATO-standard weapons, such as Paladin M109 self-propelled howitzers, portable Javelin anti-tank weapons systems, and small arms (M16 rifles and much more).

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Yes, artillery has been used on a daily basis against civilians !

When the separatists use innocent civilians as body shields, the burden of atrocity is on the one hiding. Sorry. Oh, and don't think that's happening?

Speaking at a press conference today Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that any invasion of Crimea by forces loyal to the pro-West Ukrainian government will be met with strategies once used in the Soviet Union by the likes of Lenin and Stalin in which civilians would be put ahead of the defending army.

The video, with Vladimir Putin speaking in Russian, has been translated by several organizations.

Listen to me. Listen to me carefully. I want you to correctly understand me.

If we reach that decision, only if we reach that decision, it will only be for the defense of Ukrainian citizens, let anyone from the military dare shoot at their own people which we will be behind, not in front but behind, let them try and shoot at women and children.

Let me see who in the Ukraine will give such an order

Now tell us who the real monster is.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Because YouTube is absolutely filled with videos about shelling of places where there weren`t any troops.

So why do you try to help out with covering up Crimes Against Humanity by wrongly pointing out that there were Separatists over there ?

I don`t believe the "one man" living in London Syrian Human Rights Watch telling the truth about it.

yup ... gotta keep the fear going and the arms sales flowing. As long as the same cabalist run the world finances, there will always be Putins, Bushes, Obamas and a whole data bank of manipulated stooge dictators to chose from and set in the world spotlight. Slight of hand and a twist of fate and the whole world looks the other way. Follow the money trail and the real enemy will be found.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Whatever. It's pointless to discuss anything with you people. Please do not respond to this post.

i predicted the russia acting up in the massive earthquake immanent thread in now on the bbc planes being escorted.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Another one of those times when his words are getting twisted, just as with his remarks about the nuclear devices pointing at the Ukraine and his Soviet Union remarks.

The translation from RT is “We are not going to a war against the Ukrainian people,” he said. “I want you to understand it unambiguously. If we do take a decision, it would only be to protect Ukrainian citizens. Let anybody in the military dare, and they’d be shooting their own people, who would stand up in front of us. Shoot at women and children. I’d like to see anyone try and order such a thing in Ukraine.”

He is not saying to use civilians as human shields.

a reply to: Nikola014

Women and children would WILLINGLY put themselves between two fighting forces. Totally believable.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Unbelievable, and no one saw it of course...