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Is ATS accusing it's members of being Russian shills?

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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:07 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

I never said they are not entitled to their opinions, why use the official ATS account to say there is Russian shills, why not give equal accusations to both sides? Especially after asking their membership to help them reach 100,000 followers. I am entitled to ask a question, whether or not they agree with me asking is irrelevant, you might not like it but that ain't enough of a reason to shut me up.




posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:12 AM
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why use the official ATS account to say there is Russian shills, why not give equal accusations to both sides?


Because they CAN use the official ATS account to say whatever they want. Again, why should they have to conform to your opinions on the matter? They are under no obligation to do so. They could just as easily ban you for posting a thread against it, especially if ATS was some kind of government operation to censor Russian propaganda, but I see that they haven't yet. Weird! You simply disagree with them, which is fine, but you will not change anything by posting a thread about it "calling them out" on what you perceive is some kind of injustice.
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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:16 AM
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originally posted by: Wookiep


why use the official ATS account to say there is Russian shills, why not give equal accusations to both sides?


Because they CAN use the official ATS account to say whatever they want. Again, why should they have to conform to your opinions on the matter? They are under no obligation to do so. They could just as easily ban you for posting a thread against it, especially if ATS was some kind of government operation to censor Russian propaganda, but I see that they haven't yet. Weird! You simply disagree with them, which is fine, but you will not change anything by posting a thread about it "calling them out" on what you perceive is some kind of injustice.


They are entitled to ban me for life if they want, it is not going to stop me asking a question. What's Weird! is no one from the staff has responded, even if it's to ban me, deny it, confirm it, call me crazy or to comment on it.
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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Are you really going to make this about wether they CAN or not?

This is about wether they should or not. You really did not get that?
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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: sosobad

Ask away, who cares, maybe this type of thread is so common that they actually don't care enough to respond. Maybe one of them will come along and give you an opinion on the matter, maybe they won't. I feel these kind of threads are just attention seeking and solve nothing. I bet you feel you are entitled to demand answers to what you feel is a horrible injustice, when no-one really owes you anything, including an explanation for why they hold the opinions they hold.
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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

And for the OP...how many times has someone been called a shill because they post against the crap the Russian gov't has been doing as of late?

Goes both ways.




But was that ATS making those accusations, as it is in the case of the OP.
We have had several occasions of ATS trying to stop RT being used here and the owners speaking out on their practices while western media uses the same tactics and practices.

RT is full of crap - just like every other MSM outlet going.
But they also post stuff that other western outlets won't, of course it's entirely agenda driven but some of it is good stuff.
I don't think anyone who criticizes Putin or lauds him is a shill - of course some are but to use terms like "Putin Lover" is just inflammatory and biased.

But ATS is a private site and does not have to be impartial or unbiased.
They have views and opinions just like us.
It's sad that they're promoting the site this way but hey - it's their site.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:26 AM
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originally posted by: RustyHook
a reply to: Wookiep

Are you really going to make this about wether they CAN or not?

This is about wether they should or not. You really did not get that?


Yep, I am and have made it about whether they can or not. Do you really think ATS is a democracy? Do you think ANY web forum is? I'm not going to get all mushy about whether they SHOULD or not, because you only think they shouldn't if you disagree with them and visa versa. Who cares. The ownership here will hold whatever position they want. Take it or leave it.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep




I see what you are doing...

You're posting increasingly hostile & snidey responses to something you apparently care so little about...

But you do care enough to try and entice fellow members towards reprimand...




Poor form!



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:28 AM
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Yeah I noticed that Charlie,no one take his bait





posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:29 AM
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originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: sosobad

Ask away, who cares, maybe this type of thread is so common that they actually don't care enough to respond. Maybe one of them will come along and give you an opinion on the matter, maybe they won't. I feel these kind of threads are just attention seeking and solve nothing. I bet you feel you are entitled to demand answers to what you feel is a horrible injustice, when no-one really owes you anything, including an explanation for why they hold the opinions they hold.


Thanks for insulting me but asking a question and feeling entitled to getting an answer are 2 different things. I do feel the need to point though that you are a massive hypocrite, agreeing with me about posters insulting others on another thread then posting this



I feel these kind of threads are just attention seeking and solve nothing. I bet you feel you are entitled to demand answers to what you feel is a horrible injustice, when no-one really owes you anything.

While I find it commendable that you feel the need to answer questions for ATS your opinion isn't the one I'm seeking, hence why this is in "board questions", are you done?



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:31 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Uh huh, because I don't agree with the op trying to crap all over ATS. I've seen this before, and I'm not taking your bait because you agree with the OP and not the owners who simply pointed out Russian shills, who actually do exist.

Nice try. I won't even post a stupid gif to get my point across.

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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:37 AM
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originally posted by: sosobad
So why only single out one side? There is daily threads accusing Russia, from trying to take over the world to stealing the lollipops off babys. There is an actual effort to demonize Russia.


LOL super funny man thanks

True and funny



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:38 AM
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Thanks for insulting me


Not my intention to insult you. Im simply pointing out the truth of the matter. You're not going to change the opinions of ATS ownership simply because it offended you.




I do feel the need to point though that you are a massive hypocrite, agreeing with me about posters insulting others on another thread then posting this


I don't recall calling you names or being trollish. I've told you simple realities about ATS that you obviously disagree with. If you consider that to be personal insults comparing to other members comments, then I suppose that is a personal problem only you can work out.




your opinion isn't the one I'm seeking, hence why this is in "board


Well I guess that's too bad. You can't really expect to make a thread on any subject and only get replies and opinions from ATS owners, do you?

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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

It almost seems like you are speaking at me from a position of authority. Do you have any?



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

How is asking a question "crapping all over ATS"...

This is a user/member generated site...

And members are wondering why the one sided dig...

When we all know that the West invented paid shills...
Why disregard them in this infowar?

Because it alienates everyone here who doesn't tow the Western line and makes us wonder if we are being accused for not believing a word of the bull...


You're not worth another gif!
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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep



Well I guess that's too bad. You can't really expect to make a thread on any subject and only get replies and opinions from ATS owners, do you?


But yet you told me to go elsewhere to express mine.

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CX

posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:43 AM
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originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: CX

If you write...



we've found that a good many of the "Putin Lovers" are online agents paid to influence social conversations.


...you sure do make that impression because you do that from ATS.


Or meaning ATS has found this to be true of other sources.

It didn't say here, it said online...which is a rather large place.


Exactly. My point entirely


Now if they had said "We've found that a good many of ATS members are Putin overs and online agents".....then i'd be raising an eyebrow.

Still not two eyebrows, because maybe there are Putin lovers here, i don't know......then again i don't tar everyone with the same brush when i hear something.

CX.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:43 AM
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a reply to: RustyHook

Nope, none at all.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Did it ever occur to you that people are so sick and tired of moral failure that US government is

That they are willing to give Putin a pass

Yes...No....



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

This isn't about a question at all, even tho the OP cleverly made the title as such.

This is about the OP trying to "accuse" ATS of calling out "Russian Shills" as if it's some horrible atrocity committed by the owner. When in fact, I have personally witnessed several Russian "shills" who were banned almost a year ago when this BS started in Ukraine. Any fool could see they were shills for Putin soley based on the registration dates and propaganda they all posted. Some of them are STILL here now that the ownership hasn't weeded out yet. The OP craps on ATS by not sharing the entire story, while only assuming there is some type of corrupted censorship going on.

And just for the record, I am NOT accusing anyone in this thread of being Russian shills.




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