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originally posted by: Greathouse
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Greathouse
So you`re telling us Nukeland, the son of a Biden, Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, etc. are all Russian agents?...hmmm, interesting.
A brain is only worth something when it contains the right knowledge.
Oh nuclear war I've been hearing that since the 70s. Ain't going to happen.
originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
Putin has no say in Ukraine.
If the US or any other country does business with Ukraine, it is the business of Ukraine, not Russia.
The moment the US installed a puppet regime against the will of the people he had a say in things in the Ukraine.
originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
You can repeat it over and over, but it doesn't make it more believable.
In fact, it is the other way around, after Russia had pressured Yanukovych so he did not sign the association agreement which he had negotiated with EU, they were busy to establish a pro russian puppet regime.
...but of course all this was done by the US, right?
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
The moment the US installed a puppet regime against the will of the people he had a say in things in the Ukraine.
The will of those people were to get Yanukovych out because of corruption, lying about signing the EU agreement, and in case you missed it he was a Putin puppet.
And you may have missed this but Ukraine voted for their government democratically, and even your favorite person acknowledges the legitimacy of the elected government but hey what does the truth matter right?
Also you may have forgotten the parliament that was elected during Yanukovych reign, not to mention his own party voted for his impeachment...but of course all this was done by the US, right?
originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: Echtelion
Apparently ATS has places for me to discover, but since you speak of tin foil hats, i think i'll skip.
But Russia cannot do business in Ukraine, right? Or else that would be "Russian imperialism". lol
But if they can as much as Western interests, then that only leads us back to pre-putsch Ukraine... only with tens of thousands useless deaths from a civil war.
Also... what's with that personal pride you seem to have with the idea of having Monsanto take over the agro sector in Ukraine, turn the good organic food they still have in the region into toxic GMO belly-filler, contaminating/killing off their lands as they did in India for decades?
The issue of farmer suicides first gained media attention in 1995 as the southern state of Maharashtra began reporting a significant rise in farmers killing themselves.
INDIA FARM SUICIDE
Other states across the country began noticing an increase in farmer suicides as well.
But it wasn’t until seven years later — in 2002 — that the U.S.-based agribusiness Monsanto began selling genetically modified cotton seeds, known as Bt cotton, to Indian farmers. The seeds produce insecticides and led to higher yields, but can be up to 10 times more expensive than regular cotton seeds.
Within years, a narrative began to take shape that farmers were getting into debt to pay for the seed and when they couldn’t repay the money were killing themselves. Another version was that the GM crop failed, leading to debt, leading to suicide.
But in 2008, the International Food Policy Research Institute, an alliance of 64 governments, private foundations, and international and regional organizations that aims to end hunger in the developing world, reached an entirely different conclusion.
“It is not only inaccurate, but simply wrong to blame the use of Bt cotton as the primary cause of farmer suicides in India,” said the report, stating that the introduction of Bt cotton in India had actually been effective in producing higher yields and decreasing pesticide usage by nearly 40%.
In Punjab, for instance, of the 138 development blocks, 84 have already been declared dark zones -- the level of groundwater exploitation in these blocks has been in excess of 98 percent against the critical limit of 80 percent.
The National Bureau of Soil Survey and Land Use Planning estimates that nearly 120 million hectares of the total cultivable land of 142 million hectares in the country is degraded.
The Green Revolution was projected to have saved the country some 58 million hectares of additional land to be brought under the plough, whereas almost twice that land mass has been rendered degraded and ecologically devastated.
Obviously it's not "the will of the people" that happened nearly one year ago in Kiev, on the morning of the 22nd. The Parliament was raided by the Neonazi and ultra-nationalist parties who did a special assembly to oust the ELECTED government.
Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary leader of Yanukovych's Party of Regions, condemned the ousted President on Sunday in a video statement, blaming him for the "robbery and deception" of the nation.
The former ruling party blamed Yanukovych for illegal orders that led to casualties, financial debt and shame in the eyes of the world, Yefremov said.
OR perhaps can you point me to any election that was held that day to vote for a new government in Kiev? Sorry, didn't happen. Elections were held several months later.
In November 2013, Yanukovych learned from experts at the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine that the total cost to the country’s economy from severing its business connections to Russia would be around $160 billion, 50 times the $3 billion figure that the EU had estimated, Der Spiegel reported.
The figure stunned Yanukovych, who pleaded for financial help that the EU couldn’t provide, the magazine said. Western loans would have to come from the International Monetary Fund, which was demanding painful “reforms” of Ukraine’s economy, structural changes that would make the hard lives of average Ukrainians even harder, including raising the price of natural gas by 40 percent and devaluing Ukraine’s currency, the hryvnia, by 25 percent.
With Putin offering a more generous aid package of $15 billion, Yanukovych backed out of the EU agreement but told the EU’s Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, on Nov. 28, 2013, that he was willing to continue negotiating. German Chancellor Angela Merkel responded with “a sentence dripping with disapproval and cool sarcasm aimed directly at the Ukrainian president. ‘I feel like I’m at a wedding where the groom has suddenly issued new, last minute stipulations,” according to Der Spiegel’s chronology of the crisis.
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: earthling42
The moment the US installed a puppet regime against the will of the people he had a say in things in the Ukraine.
A weak 37% approve of the EU's leadership.