What ISIS Really Wants

How DARE you say anything bad about Islam?
But don't get me wrong... Islam is the religion of peace... really...
Have you ever read verses from the Quran? So full of love and compassion...

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

You see? Muslims are generally peaceful and are against violence, ISIS are not really Muslims... And yet they are...

The religion of peace is back... But it's pissed off!

So much contradictions...

originally posted by: igloo
a reply to: ketsuko
And ironically, we could probably all share that marvelous, magical kingdom with relative peace and harmony now if every religion put down their animosity and need to be right. I've dreamt of that my whole life and I'm an atheist. Just saying.

It's not about needing to be right. It's about being comfortable being yourself and understanding that by letting others be who they are you risk letting them go another way even if that means they do things that seem bizarre ... even bizarrely wrong to you.

Then you have to understand that so long as certain boundaries are kept, even the bizarrely wrong has to be tolerated. It all sounds simple in theory, but so do Communism and Socialism and they never will work out either.

This is why I like "Mending Wall" by Frost. It reflects that while we are always seeking to tear down the boundaries, they are sometimes extremely necessary to keeping the peace.

Yeah, sure...

a reply to: ketsuko

Are their any Shiites in ISIS?

Prior 1500 years it was Sunnies vs. Shiites conflict, any Shiite make the switch to avoid Allah's wrath per "Caliphate" mentioned in the OP?


ETA: If Iranian, Iraqi Shiites switch allegiances then apocalypse becomes a real possibility...

a reply to: ketsuko

You've convinced me. Where do I sign up for this holy war? I wasn't really concerned until you exposed this whole Muslim thing! Why doesn't the President just tell it like it is? Awesome Christians versus disgusting backwards Muslims! Probably because he's secretly one of them. His middle name is Hussein, can we really trust him? I think NOT!

This is so exciting, it's like being in a crusade or something. I'm totally making a costume.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

Agreed about the apocalyptic desires of ISIS. However, modern Christianity is also looking forward to the end times. In fact, one of the primary speculations surround G.W. Bush is that his foreign policy was inspired by a desire to see the Revelations prophecies come true.

This a huge desire; (ugly truth) within the Christian faith 'end times rapture' proponents. Chaos, mayhem, apocalyptic scenarios will propel or usher in a new paradigm for/of change. Aleksandr Dugin is the mouthpiece for Soviet President Vladimir Putin; extolling the notion 'that to have grave changes requires sacrifices" (it is always someone else's sacrifice). My point is they believe the world must be in total chaos (terroristic threats to cause instability) for dramatic change to occur. Why do they want this; to implement 'end time'. We have a government filled with freshmen college students that are focused upon Kant, Lenin/Trotsky ideology instead of John Stuart Mill, Thomas Moore.

a reply to: theantediluvian

If you don't like it, take it up with The Atlantic. They published it. I just reported it here.

originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: ketsuko

Are their any Shiites in ISIS?

Prior 1500 years it was Sunnies vs. Shiites conflict, any Shiite make the switch to avoid Allah's wrath per "Caliphate" mentioned in the OP?

ETA: If Iranian, Iraqi Shiites switch allegiances then apocalypse becomes a real possibility...

If you read the post, you saw that they have a problem with Shiites. They consider them heretics. They also consider Sunnis heretics. You either fall in with their way or take the highway along with everyone else. The whole piece is long, but it does explain quite a bit about why they are the way they are.

Im from the South and this is probably the most red neck thing Ive said in a while but I would just like to tell Isis that EVERY Southern Christian has LOTS of guns and tons of ammo. Southern Christians would like nothing more than for Isis to come to their town. Kinda jokin around on that one but its true. So what if those fools get their hands on a nuke ? what then ? I just don't see a good outcome for anyone.

originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: ketsuko

Are their any Shiites in ISIS?

Prior 1500 years it was Sunnies vs. Shiites conflict, any Shiite make the switch to avoid Allah's wrath per "Caliphate" mentioned in the OP?

ETA: If Iranian, Iraqi Shiites switch allegiances then apocalypse becomes a real possibility...

There are no Kurds; certainly not Coptic Christians within this ISIS army. The Sunnie/Shiite conflict has no bearing; Isis doesn't care in so much as you drop your prior allegiances to join IT in the Jihad "destroyer, destroyer" movement; (problem here, they are murdering potential recruits before they can *in a fear based methodology* (the threat of instant burning/beheading) stance OF COURSE I WILL join your insurrection and include my sheep's and goats and all of my wives and children (leather goods, halters, saddles are not part of the bargain).

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

All right, I'll be brutally honest. As a Christian, I "look forward" to the End Times only because I look forward to the world that if promised after all is said and done. I do not at all look forward to all of the horrific things that must/will happen between now and that time, and I think (although I have no formal numbers) that most Christians can agree with me on that.

There are too many unknowns about the End Times to want them to come. For one thing, there is no way to know for sure what I'll have to deal with if they come, I might be stuck here for a whole show, and while I don't fear dying itself because that's not the end ... I confess to a certain fear of the manner of dying. As ISIS continues to show us, there are many horrifying ways to go, not counting all the long and drawn out natural ways to go.

As a Christian, you'd be nuts if you said you wanted the End Times to come. Although I wouldn't blame you at all for waxing poetic about the Kingdom to come afterward.

Well, since almost all Christians are taught that they would be "raptured" then what to worry about ??

Or is it the kind that is SUPPOSED to suffer and be punished brutally for being Christian.

These religions work all too well together, all MUST be destroyed before the damage goes all the way through Creation!
(Too late I fear)!!

As long as you believe your all loving peaceful God is coming to murder everything so we can have peace for a thousand years, etc.. the Muslims will be allowed to believe their garbage, and no one will get anywhere near the truth.

People are so full of fear of offending something they have no power at all, they DO fear death so badly because deep down they know it offers NO MORE ANSWERS than here.

Big shock coming to the ANGELS THEMSELVES, once their own blinders are removed and they realize they are just as had as the populace of any planet, ESPECIALLY EARTH !!!

a reply to: ketsuko

I read this earlier today - pretty damn stark.

TBH, I don't understand how it's come to this point. I don't understand how they have a magazine and twitter accounts and slickly produced videos. If Anon can hack them, surely the NSA/CIA/FBI and their international counterparts should be able to disrupt them?

They are a death cult and should be given no quarter.

a reply to: 3n19m470

Hypocrisy at its finest!

I think ISIS are selective in what modern tech they adopt and use and what they don't. Basically a 7th century attitude for a 21st century world.

a reply to: ketsuko

As a libertarian (a near Rothbardian, I might add) I ought to be very much against foreign wars of all kinds.

In the case of mohammadanism, I am not. I simply cannot envision what horrors would be wrought if we actually refused to deal with this and simply allowed the caliphate to form as it is unchecked and unabated.

It is especially hard to read Rothbard speak on the subject as he was so terribly misinformed. Really, he simply chose it for an example without understanding.

I take it as an example of a major caveat to the lack of judicious policing of one's own philosophy as it relates to real evidence.

You can listen to all the scientific psycho analysis babble but the reality is much simpler than that. They are people who like killing people, and the more graphic all the better because they obviously like posting their exploits on social media.
Theres no more that needs to be said than that because it has nothing to do with religion.

a reply to: ketsuko

Unless the article explained how US together with few other countries turned Syrian Rebels into ISIS

Then that article means nothing and is worthless

Funny how simple growth of ISIS is and where they came from and yet supposedly a secret no one talks about

a reply to: ketsuko

I've started to read their English-language publications to see where they're coming from in their own words.

They certainly appear to view the world through a lens of apocalypse and God/Allah's Will. Western leaders are described as 'crusaders' which frames them as mortal enemies of all Muslims and peoples in the Middle East. An epithet they've earned perhaps? Still, the use of the word is as deliberately used as any we use to frame Middle east leaders in a negative, threatening way.

They make a fascinating argument to support the torture, slayings and destruction. The argument runs that The Prophet didn't come bearing choices. The Word of Allah isn't up for debate and people weren't permitted to exercise freedom of choice or degrees of belief in the words of the Prophet.

The gist of the issue is that the methodology of letting the people choose between truth and falsehood was not from the Prophet Nūh’s manner of dealing with his people. He didn’t say to them, for example: “I have come to you with the truth, and your leaders are calling you to falsehood, so you are free to choose whether to follow me or to follow your leaders.” In fact, he didn’t even say anything to the effect of: “If you follow me then you would be correct, and if you follow your leaders then you would be mistaken.”

Taking this stance reduces the value of other humans to zero. They aren't opposing IS, instead their beliefs are like living refutations of Allah's Word through Muhammed and such 'kufr' is unacceptable. It generates hatred for anyone who isn't 100% behind the IS interpretation of Sunni Islam. You can't have pity or compassion for people who are against Allah and will be spending their eternity in hell.

In that light, torturing a human is like torturing an animated store-dummy - the body they see before them is just a case to hold an evil soul. It's classic psychology 101 to dehumanise an enemy to the point where they no longer have any value.

In their own eyes, they are fighting for Allah and the future of the planet.

It is not the manner of the Islamic State to throw empty, dry, and hypocritical words of condemnation and condolences like the Arab tawāghīt do in the UN and Arab League. Rather, its actions speak louder than its words and it is only a matter of time and patience before it reaches Palestine to fight the barbaric jews and kill those of them hiding behind the gharqad trees – the trees of the jews.

More war-a-coming.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Well, since almost all Christians are taught that they would be "raptured" then what to worry about ??

No, they aren't. A minority of Christians are taught this.
You are mistaken...

Learn about dispensationalism here.



a reply to: AthlonSavage

You can listen to all the scientific psycho analysis babble but the reality is much simpler than that. They are people who like killing people, and the more graphic all the better because they obviously like posting their exploits on social media. Theres no more that needs to be said than that because it has nothing to do with religion.

Yes, they just "like killing people"....that's it. It's that simplistic.
Seriously, you believe that?

Does that help you sleep at night?

originally posted by: Elementalist
I cannot read or hear anymore garbage on who, what, how "ISIS" (what an insult to the goddess..) is.

People of ATS, I want to make this simple, as the members here put A LOT of internal energy (thought emotion) into these sick human beings.

It DOES NOT matter what ISIS, is. Why? Their are Powerful countries who if we're true world leaders, would of ended ISIS group before it got this ugly.

MY POINT - the powerful nation leaders need ISIS group equipped, driven, with a mission of destruction.

OUR LEADERS NEED ISIS TO MAINTAIN THEIR GLOBALIST GOALS.

It's all a game, anything the masses oF multiple leading nations are exposed too, is meant to be in the game of World Domination. .

ISIS should of been long gone. But everyday media wants us to know they exist. Can we STOP playing stupid and pretending our leaders are honest humans?

QUESTION - who benefits, how, from ISIS and it's on going chaos?

Only the world leaders. It brings a distraction, so they can orchastrate behind the curtian. It brings influential behavior to bring more chaos, the more people are exposed to it.

ITS ALL A FRONT MY FRIENDS. YOUR LEADERS PRCHASTRATED ISIS, AND ALLOW THEM TO KILL.

You have been passified, and your will to act on what is truth is broken. So you listen to this regurgitated # they call news, and spill your emotions and thoughts on useless things that are used AGAINST you.

End of story, it's a front, if it was not useful to the power grabbing globalist, it would Not be.

It's that simple..

So here we are in the 21st century and this mythical NWO is coming. I have been hearing about this for DECADES. There is also supposed to be an illuminati that has been directing this effort for centuries. Well all I can say is they missed the boat several times over the last 2 thousand years !!!! One thing that has taken place over the past 2 thousand years, across the globe, across all nations and across all religions is the appearance from time to time of very nasty ideoligical driven groups whose belief is that everyone must be like them or be dead. History is full of this.

So I have choice:

A. Believe its' all part of this ongining centuries old NWO that only conspiracists know about.
OR
B. Believe they are the current "flavour" of nutters that our history books are full of.

a reply to: PizzaAnyday505

It seems like every single day you are involved in every single thread regarding IS, claiming this same stuff.

How about posting some credible evidence to back what you keep claiming? Not once do I see you do anything but make unsubstantiated claims.

Now, before you flip out and claim I'm attacking you or I'm some "shill" or whatever the heck.....note that I am NOT doubting certain elements have indirectly (and possibly directly) funded IS....but this claim that they were "created" by the US and a "few other nations".....it's just not substantiated, unless you've got some proof...?....

......so lets see it. Yeah?