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originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
Wasn't that what Jesus would have done? Answering a question with a question?
Honestly, I wasn't asking you if you could come up with quotes from the Bible that show that slavery existed when it was written. I just wondered if you knew that the one that you quoted was a parable.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
Wasn't that what Jesus would have done? Answering a question with a question?
Honestly, I wasn't asking you if you could come up with quotes from the Bible that show that slavery existed when it was written. I just wondered if you knew that the one that you quoted was a parable.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
It seems you are repeatedly ignoring his point. The bible demonstrates at least a passive acceptance of slavery. Is the bible wrong for having this attitude, or do you too accept slavery?
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
Wasn't that what Jesus would have done? Answering a question with a question?
Honestly, I wasn't asking you if you could come up with quotes from the Bible that show that slavery existed when it was written. I just wondered if you knew that the one that you quoted was a parable.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
It seems you are repeatedly ignoring his point. The bible demonstrates at least a passive acceptance of slavery. Is the bible wrong for having this attitude, or do you too accept slavery?
originally posted by: Created
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
Wasn't that what Jesus would have done? Answering a question with a question?
Honestly, I wasn't asking you if you could come up with quotes from the Bible that show that slavery existed when it was written. I just wondered if you knew that the one that you quoted was a parable.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
It seems you are repeatedly ignoring his point. The bible demonstrates at least a passive acceptance of slavery. Is the bible wrong for having this attitude, or do you too accept slavery?
As a Christian I don't accept slavery. But I do accept the understanding of servants in regards with equality that was spoken for by Paul. For that was for the Jews who had servants by the mosaic laws and for the Greeks that had servants. For if Paul taught the Masters to do the same like a Servant. Then that itself took away the acceptance of slavery/servants, since the master also becomes a servant or slave. Both being equals. As Paul even spoke badly toward the slave traders and that there is 'no' male nor female, jew or greek, bond or free as all are same people under Christ. It null and voids slavery.
As a Christian I follow the ways of Christ as he had no servants or slaves nor did Paul. So no the bible does not give the attitude of accepting slavery. It does the opposite in fact.
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Created
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
Wasn't that what Jesus would have done? Answering a question with a question?
Honestly, I wasn't asking you if you could come up with quotes from the Bible that show that slavery existed when it was written. I just wondered if you knew that the one that you quoted was a parable.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
It seems you are repeatedly ignoring his point. The bible demonstrates at least a passive acceptance of slavery. Is the bible wrong for having this attitude, or do you too accept slavery?
As a Christian I don't accept slavery. But I do accept the understanding of servants in regards with equality that was spoken for by Paul. For that was for the Jews who had servants by the mosaic laws and for the Greeks that had servants. For if Paul taught the Masters to do the same like a Servant. Then that itself took away the acceptance of slavery/servants, since the master also becomes a servant or slave. Both being equals. As Paul even spoke badly toward the slave traders and that there is 'no' male nor female, jew or greek, bond or free as all are same people under Christ. It null and voids slavery.
As a Christian I follow the ways of Christ as he had no servants or slaves nor did Paul. So no the bible does not give the attitude of accepting slavery. It does the opposite in fact.
Saying that a slave-owner is 'a slave to God' does not make him equivalent to an actual slave...being a 'slave' to an invisible being you believe in who can't actually do anything to you is not the same as being an actual slave to an actual person. So if an American slave owner was a Christian who said he was 'a slave to god,' then the actual slave was in the same position as the slave owner? Sorry, no.
originally posted by: Created
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Created
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
Wasn't that what Jesus would have done? Answering a question with a question?
Honestly, I wasn't asking you if you could come up with quotes from the Bible that show that slavery existed when it was written. I just wondered if you knew that the one that you quoted was a parable.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
It seems you are repeatedly ignoring his point. The bible demonstrates at least a passive acceptance of slavery. Is the bible wrong for having this attitude, or do you too accept slavery?
As a Christian I don't accept slavery. But I do accept the understanding of servants in regards with equality that was spoken for by Paul. For that was for the Jews who had servants by the mosaic laws and for the Greeks that had servants. For if Paul taught the Masters to do the same like a Servant. Then that itself took away the acceptance of slavery/servants, since the master also becomes a servant or slave. Both being equals. As Paul even spoke badly toward the slave traders and that there is 'no' male nor female, jew or greek, bond or free as all are same people under Christ. It null and voids slavery.
As a Christian I follow the ways of Christ as he had no servants or slaves nor did Paul. So no the bible does not give the attitude of accepting slavery. It does the opposite in fact.
Saying that a slave-owner is 'a slave to God' does not make him equivalent to an actual slave...being a 'slave' to an invisible being you believe in who can't actually do anything to you is not the same as being an actual slave to an actual person. So if an American slave owner was a Christian who said he was 'a slave to god,' then the actual slave was in the same position as the slave owner? Sorry, no.
Ephesians 6:9
And ye, masters(owner), do the "same things" unto them(slave), forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master(God) also in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
No it was stated that the owners do the same things, that was told for the servants to do. Sorry, yes.
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Created
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Created
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: butcherguy
You have quoted a parable here.
You do understand the point of parables, right?
Are these also parables?
Ephesians 6:5 NIV
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NIV
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
New Testament verses here [and the 'parable' I posted earlier) all highly suggest a condoning of slavery. My post was in response to the notion there was zero mistreatment of people in the New Testament. One could argue slavery was a necessity in those times... oh which I would muse over the notion an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent god couldn't address the issue then and there *shrug*
Wasn't that what Jesus would have done? Answering a question with a question?
Honestly, I wasn't asking you if you could come up with quotes from the Bible that show that slavery existed when it was written. I just wondered if you knew that the one that you quoted was a parable.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
It seems you are repeatedly ignoring his point. The bible demonstrates at least a passive acceptance of slavery. Is the bible wrong for having this attitude, or do you too accept slavery?
As a Christian I don't accept slavery. But I do accept the understanding of servants in regards with equality that was spoken for by Paul. For that was for the Jews who had servants by the mosaic laws and for the Greeks that had servants. For if Paul taught the Masters to do the same like a Servant. Then that itself took away the acceptance of slavery/servants, since the master also becomes a servant or slave. Both being equals. As Paul even spoke badly toward the slave traders and that there is 'no' male nor female, jew or greek, bond or free as all are same people under Christ. It null and voids slavery.
As a Christian I follow the ways of Christ as he had no servants or slaves nor did Paul. So no the bible does not give the attitude of accepting slavery. It does the opposite in fact.
Saying that a slave-owner is 'a slave to God' does not make him equivalent to an actual slave...being a 'slave' to an invisible being you believe in who can't actually do anything to you is not the same as being an actual slave to an actual person. So if an American slave owner was a Christian who said he was 'a slave to god,' then the actual slave was in the same position as the slave owner? Sorry, no.
Ephesians 6:9
And ye, masters(owner), do the "same things" unto them(slave), forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master(God) also in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
No it was stated that the owners do the same things, that was told for the servants to do. Sorry, yes.
So you think saying you're a slave to an invisible being who may not even exist is the same thing as being an actual slave? How offensive to people who have actually had to suffer through slavery.
Now, I will return the favor of answering your question with a question. Are there a lot of modern Christians that hold slaves?
I tried to read the Quran once and only got to about page fifty. I'm sure there is wisdom in it but I got tired of wading through the fire and brimstone.
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
Their god is the same god.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
Their god is the same god.
Show me a Muslim who worships Jesus as God Incarnate, and I'll show you a Muslim who worships the same God as Christians.
Islam reaches backwards and tries to claim the big names for itself (Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc) in order to gain credibility. But Islam and Christianity do not worship the same God. Jesus is God to Christians, but is only a prophet of sub-importance (as compared to Muhammad) to Muslims. It's not the same God.As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
Show me a Muslim who worships Jesus as God Incarnate
Jesus is NOT Muslim
whereas Islam teaches stoning to death of women supposedly caught in 'adultry'