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In Scripture, the lost are never referred to as children of God. Ephesians 2:3 tells us that before we were saved we were “by nature objects of wrath” (Ephesians 2:1-3). Romans 9:8 says that “it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.” Instead of being born as God’s children, we are born in sin, which separates us from God and aligns us with Satan as God’s enemy (James 4:4; 1 John 3:8). Jesus said, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me” (John 8:42). Then a few verses later in John 8:44, Jesus told the Pharisees that they “belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.” The fact that those who are not saved are not children of God is also seen in 1 John 3:10: “This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.”
We become children of God when we are saved because we are adopted into God’s family through our relationship with Jesus Christ (Galatians 4:5-6; Ephesians 1:5). This can be clearly seen in verses like Romans 8:14-17: “…because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, ‘Abba, Father.’ The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.” Those who are saved are children “of God through faith in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26) because God has “predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will” (Ephesians 1:5).
originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
Or you could question anything said in the old and new testaments as the words of men that very conveniently decided on calling their followers ''favoured by God'', ''special'' etc, hence making them their followers and subject to their rules. How clever and how gullible.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DeathSlayer
Good to know, now you guys don't have any excuse to proselytize all the unbelievers anymore right?
originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: DeathSlayer
Exactly, you cannot prove they were or weren't hence the suspicion for their motives and the fallibility of men in rewriting things to suit.
originally posted by: Cogidubnus
Something tells me ISIS has similar view points to yours and equally convincing bullet points/ scriptures to back up their equally extraordinary claims. I think this idea is inherent in all organized religion? Isn't that what makes them so appetizing to the masses? --Step right up, step right up, get your snake oil here! Cures cancer, fixes leaks, and gets you into God's club!
Now it seems, they are taking it a whole step further in proclaiming, "Oh yeah sorry the game has been rigged since the beginning, if you are not from this one blood line/ tribe/ club, you are # out of luck sorry!"
If the "deity" you worship plays favorites like some disgruntled parent; and has been doing so since inception, than maybe it's time you start looking for an even higher power? Try Cthulhu. He doesn't judge or play favorites.
Not everyone is a child of God and many today are not.
originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: DeathSlayer
Not everyone is a child of God and many today are not.
Which God are your referring to? Or are you referring to all of them?
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DeathSlayer
Is proving the bible wrong deceiving in your book?
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
We are all part of God's creation but we all are not God's children.
originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: DeathSlayer
Does reading an entire bible imply belief, status or magical knowledge?
originally posted by: tom.farnhill
a reply to: DeathSlayer
we are all the children of the earth , i have read the bible and one story that springs to mind was the one that when asked
how do we find you , the reply was do not look for me in houses of bricks or stone, pick up a rock and you will see me there you will also find me in a piece of wood , in other words look to the earth.
Yes i know it is not a direct quote, but you believers in the bible will recognise the story .