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Jesus Crucified the Day before Passover 37 AD

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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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One of the clearest doctrinal errors of the Catholic heresy, later inherited by the Lutherans and nearly every Church denomination around-- is connected to the dating of the birth of Jesus and his crucifixion. Like I have explained in other threads (here for instance), Jesus was most likely born just prior to Passover, I believe it was 11 Nisan 3755 (6 BC), and that he was crucified on Wednesday 14 Nisan 3797 (37 AD). Yes, I know this is a Wednesday, not a Friday as in «Good Friday», but not all Sabbaths are Saturdays.

The first and the last day of Passover are Sabbaths, regardless of which day of the week they fall upon. Hebrews use a lunar calendar for the Passover dates, and the days of Passover may fall on any day of the week when calibrated against the Gregorian or Julian calendars.

After having compared all the accounts of the crucifixion in the Bible, everything falls into place with a dating for the crucifixion scene on Erev Pesach («Day of Preparation») 14th Nisan 3797, or Wednesday 18th March 37 AD, and this means that Jesus had just celebrated his 42nd birthday when Judas had him arrested. Anyway, below is the timeline showing how I see the crucifixion happening.

Year of Adam 3797 or 37 AD:
Sunday 11 Nisan
==> Jesus and his disciples has an epic party, I think they were most likely celebrating Jesus' birthday.
==> Jesus reveals that Judas will betray him, Judas storms out.

Monday 12 Nisan
==> Judas seeks an opportunity to have Jesus arrested.
==> Emperor Tiberias dies.

Tuesday 13 Nisan
==> Judas summons the police and has Jesus arrested.
==> After some armed resistance Jesus gives up.

Wednesday 14 Nisan
==> Erev Pesach (that is Day of Preparation Before Passover).
==> Jesus is lashed in front of the Sanhedrin, during which I believe one of Jesus' lungs collapse.
==> Judas returns his 30 coins of silver.
==> Judas hangs himself (his remains later «burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out»).
==> Jesus is nailed to the cross after a quick-and-dirty and highly unjust public trial.
==> At the cross, Jesus faints unable to breathe, a Roman centurion trad. named «Longinus» confesses how he thinks Jesus is innocent, and pierces Jesus' thorax, this act is actually most vital for Jesus survival.
==> Jesus is brought to the tomb, Essene healers are summoned. At the point they arrive at the tomb or shortly after, Jesus is most likely breathing again.

Thursday 15 Nisan - Saturday 17 Nisan
==> First Passover Sabbath on Thursday, Jesus is resting for the full length of two days (compare with Hosea 6:2) and he is probably on his feet or at least fully conscious by Saturday evening.
==> Jesus is treated by white-clad Essene healers inside Arimathea's tomb (the "angels" Rosemary saw by the tomb the day after). Remember how Jesus said it was not a sin to heal people on the Sabbath.

Sunday 18 Nisan
==> 3.5 days after the crucifixion Jesus is risen and has left the tomb for a walk outside in the morning breeze. When Rosemary wants to embrace him he says he is not yet fully recovered. Fits with pneumothorax. An embrace could likely squeeze the air out of his chest and they would be back to square one.
==> In order to clean and close up the wounds from the crown of thorns and the lashing, chaffs from the cross 7c., Jesus' hair was cut short, and in order to disguise him further his beard was probably cut also. Rosemary didn't recognise him at first, mistaking him for the gardener, and the two disciples who met later didn't recognise him either without his long hair and beard.

Calendar source
edit on 18-2-2015 by Utnapisjtim because: Some typos and minor edits + Changed title to include the crucifixion and Jesus

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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
One of the clearest doctrinal errors of the Catholic heresy, later inherited by the Lutherans and nearly every Church denomination around-- is connected to the dating of the birth and crucifixion.

I don't think any of the denominations actually regard these dates as a doctrinal matter, so they don't have any official teaching on the subject.
They will regard the year of the crucifixion as something which is open to debate.


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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

According to the Nicean Creed (the most fundamental doctrine within the church) Jesus «suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day». So count the days. If Jesus was crucified on Friday before Passover in 33 AD, that means that by Sunday morning, Jesus would have been gone for only one and a half day. The numbers don't add up, unless of course, that the Sabbath in question was on a Thursday. Which it was in on 15th Nisan 37 AD.
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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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My understanding from the NT meter and Dainel 9 was that Jesus was supposed to die on Nisan 14 in the year 37 AD (4143 years after the Fall). This would have been the end of Daniel's 62nd week, and Jesus would have been 40 years old. However, the Pharisees and Sadducees, by the influence of Satan, had Jesus executed 7 years early in 30 AD (4136 AF). Since this was at the end of the 61st Week, Jesus had to establish His Church to stand in for the 62nd week. The prophecy states that the Messiah would be cut off AFTER the end of the 62nd week. Since the Church is the body of Christ, we represent the Messiah on earth, and our "cutting off" will be the rapture. This is one of the reasons why the Rapture must happen, and is a legitimate prophecy.

People like to think that the Bible sports a lunisolar calendar, and they use that to justify calling the 61st week, the 62nd, but in actuallity, the evidence shows that the bible sports a Solar calendar determined by the Vernal Equinox. And of course, the Sadducean calendar (closer to the Sabbatarian priestly shifts) was in opperation in Jesus day, which caused the Jews to celebrate the Feasts 4 days ahead of schedule that year. That is why the gospels repeat "the feast of the JEWS"..."the preparation day of the JEWS".

To this day, the scholars still cant agree on which version of the Hebrew calendar is the right one. The same controversy existed between the Sadducees and Pharisees.



posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: DISRAELI



According to the Nicean Creed (the most fundamental doctrine within the church) Jesus «suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day». So count the days. If Jesus was crucified on Friday before Passover in 33 AD, that means that by Sunday morning, Jesus would have been dead for only one and a half day. The numbers don't add up, unless of course, that the Sabbath in question was on a Thursday. Which it was in on 15th Nisan 37 AD.


I agree. My research leads me to the same conclution. How do you explain the fact that the historic record got it wrong and teaches that Jesus died on Friday and was raised on Sunday? Why can't people even get this right?



posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I believe Jesus was still crucified in 37 AD.

en.wikipedia.org...

According to Josephus c. AD 93, Pilate was ordered back to Rome after harshly suppressing a Samaritan uprising, arriving just after the death of Tiberius which occurred on 16 March in AD 37. He was replaced by Marcellus.


And with Jesus crucifixion just two days after Emperor Tiberius, the reason why Pilate was replaced may have been his handling of Jesus and the Samaritan uproar, not that Tiberius died. It's all inter-connected and when you plot all the dates quite the drama emerges:

Events happening just prior to Passover 37:
==> Pontius Pilate cuts down a Samaritan uproar
==> Emperor Tiberius dies Monday 16th March before Passover
==> Jesus is crucified two days later on Wednesday 18th March
==> Pilate is called back to Rome and replaced by Marcellus



posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: wasaka
I agree. My research leads me to the same conclution. How do you explain the fact that the historic record got it wrong and teaches that Jesus died on Friday and was raised on Sunday? Why can't people even get this right?

It's quite feasible that the record got it right and was then misunderstood.
You see, the word in the text is not "Friday"; it is a word meaning "preparation", normally used of the day before the Sabbath, and hence Friday.
However, if the OP is right, then the word really means "the day before the Passover Sabbath". The church later understood it as "Friday" because that was the usual meaning.



posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: wasaka

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: DISRAELI



According to the Nicean Creed (the most fundamental doctrine within the church) Jesus «suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day». So count the days. If Jesus was crucified on Friday before Passover in 33 AD, that means that by Sunday morning, Jesus would have been dead for only one and a half day. The numbers don't add up, unless of course, that the Sabbath in question was on a Thursday. Which it was in on 15th Nisan 37 AD.


I agree. My research leads me to the same conclution. How do you explain the fact that the historic record got it wrong and teaches that Jesus died on Friday and was raised on Sunday? Why can't people even get this right?


I believe the main reason behind this was that there was a huge mixup with calendars at the time around Christ and all until when the Gregorian calendar was introduced in 1582. When it was introduced, 10 calendar days were skipped to sustain a vernal equinox at 21 March and fix the calendar to the seasons, and thereby make up for the astronomical Julian one which didn't adjust for axial precession governing the seasons. And then there was the inconsistencies between the Julian and several different Hebrew calendars. Then the Greeks and the Egyptians had their own calendars and it was a big mess.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Anno Domini dating system was devised in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus to enumerate the years in his Easter table. His system was to replace the Diocletian era that had been used in an old Easter table because he did not wish to continue the memory of a tyrant who persecuted Christians.


So in short: A few bad considerations, distance in time, and perhaps a certain bias and precedence and perhaps some good old ignorance furthered by well-meaning monks and priests in the attempt at making a name.



posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Indeed, and the Passover Sabbath is the first day of Passover, which may fall on any day of the week, but always at full moon, 15th Nisan. Whoever decided Jesus was crucified on a Friday, must have believed that all Sabbaths are Saturdays.
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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Nice theory, and if there were ever a believable version of the "Jesus didn't die" idea, you've got it well thought out. If you're right it means that Christians are most ignorant and incorrect in their religious beliefs and practices on a global scale. It'd also mean that Islam is closer to the historical truth, as would be Judaism (as far as the historical perspective of Jesus' execution is concerned).

Either Jesus died and resurrected, or he didn't. That sounds simple but the implications are huge.



posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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Jesus was crucified after Passover at the end of the days of unleavened bread. Passover came first, that was the night the death angle killed the first born, the days of unleavened bread started the night of passover.

The Jews were commanded to keep the Passover and the days of of unleavened bread as a memorial. Jesus participated in the passover with his disciples and later that week was crucified.

scriptures:

Mt 26:17 ¶ Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

Mr 14:12 ¶ And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

Passover first then the his crucifixion. the following First day of the week he arose never to die again.

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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: r0xor

Well, the Koran and Islam apparently reference the Barnabas (?) gospel, where another person is crucified instead of Jesus. I don't think that was the deal. I do believe Jesus was indeed crucified, but that he didn't really die, he fainted and stopped breathing. And as far as I can see, in the Nicene Creed, there is no mentioning of Jesus dying, only that «He suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day» and the reference to resurrection of the dead is future about «Judgement Day». This is a direct reflection of the doctrinal battles that raged around the First Council at Nicaea. The main argument seemed to have been that God was God of God and most supreme, and such a God simply cannot die. Arius of Alexandria was around the time of the council excommunicated and apparently killed, for proclaiming that Jesus was «more than Man, but less than God.» People crossed over corpses to get the last say with Constantine at Nicaea.

The main implications would be that for more than 1500 years priests have taught people that it is a nice thing to sacrifice people, and that it has magical benefits, like automatic entrance to Heaven when proclaiming this highly spurious and even Godless doctrines. And they still keep messing about it. How Jesus had to die so that we could live and have our sins die with the Lord in the most pitiful manner.
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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.


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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Since I find it highly unlikely that Rome and especially the Jews would execute people during the Passover week, I disregard Matthew's and the other synoptical gospels' wording meaning it must be based on a mistake and mixing of the terms, for after Matthew says 26:17 what may be understood as the Passover week had already started, in the very next chapter, Matthew says that Jesus was killed on Erev Pesach or «Day of Preparation»:

The next day, that is, after the day of Preparation [and the crucifixion], the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate [ESV] Matthew 27:62

This corresponds to the Gospel of John that says:

Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. [ESV] John 19:31

My theory: The quotes you refer to probably originates in a mistranslation that happened when translating into Greek the Aramaic Q-source underlying the three synoptic gospels Mark, Matthew and Luke. Either that or this is the remnants of attempts at forging later Church doctrine into these gospels. Manuscripts belonging to the first centuries are at times radically different and whole passages are introduced or omitted and the texts rearranged and such. Out of all the historical NT manuscripts and fragments we have, no two texts are identical.
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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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I agree that Jesus died on a wednesday in order to rise on a sunday, but the bible has its own way of reckoning the days and ploting events. Im not sure that you can attribute the event that Josephus was refering to, to the crucifixion. The crucifixion was just one man, and I doubt wouldve got the attention of the emperor. Its more likely that Josephus was talking about a revolution. Jesus' trial didnt really result in revolution to my knowledge. His followers mourned, and the world kept turning, at least until pentacost.



posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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I read the Urantia Book which has about 700 pages dedicated to the life and teachings of Jesus. They proclaim Jesus was born on August 21, 7 B.C. and died Friday, April 7, A.D. 30.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 08:18 AM
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I included the part about the death of the emperor to illustrate the mess Pilate was neck deep in. Sending off Jesus to Golgotha was probably the last thing Pilate did before he was called back to Rome and relieved of his duties. Knowing he would loose his job anyway, perhaps Pilate had a bigger role in the survival of the Lord than the story shows. Apparently the Jesus crucifixion ended with Antipas and Pilate becoming friends. Herod Antipas, though he is held responsible for John the Baptist's death, seems to have been a big fan of Jesus.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: UB2120

The Urantia is a modern construction, and not a very good one. As far as I remember it goes into detail about "the lost years" of Jesus (typically between age 12 and 30), "revealing" among other things young Jesus' supposed dislike for Greek sports. It's a red herring. Or, rather, a red whale.
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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I agree that Jesus died on a wednesday in order to rise on a sunday, but the bible has its own way of reckoning the days and ploting events.


That said. This solar system, what this calendar is based on-- is a joke. They're laughing at us up there. I can agree with the old scribe that our kings are wild beasts and that they pretend to worship some arcane lie as put forth by a guy with a big hat and a calculator ftw, but the way they have sorted this solar system, I think it's waaaay too obvious, we flash up like firework in space, since the devil and his Greek hoes and heroes have trimmed our tree to such a degree-- and with such pride and elegance, we have probably invited every villain civilisation present in the galaxy to come and suck us dry.

Let's just hope the good guys reach us before this whole rock is ruined beyond repair and we have to flee back to Paradise, which is also ruined btw. The wisdom of the ages says everything ends in utter destruction and what remains is a shred of something common and mundane, like half the pack of a Big Mac. It's no use, all there is is hope. And knowledge. We have to start building a building builder in near space to build the craft that will hide our arse, turn our planet into a comet spaceship and then, we ride Gaia to the stars to settle this jewel under alien skies somewhere only we know where is.....
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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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The things is, there are no real constants in our universe. The only constants are a result of our limited perception, so there really is no constant way to keep a metrically sound calendar. As you know, I believe that at one point, our solar year consisted of an even 360 days. However, biblically speaking, our calendar should be based on the solar year alone. Various Psalms in the OT attribute the Groom to the sun, and the bride to the moon. Since earth is our vantage point, our planet's movement doesnt really need to be accounted for. It would make sense to use the Sun for setting the years, and the moon as reflection of the Sun's glory for signs, since a biblical marriage puts the husband in charge. To use the moon to set calendar dates would symbolize the bride rejecting the groom's authority. For that reason, it is obvious to me that the calendar that Jesus followed was solar. A good part of His teaching was centered around the bride/groom relationship between Himself as Messiah and mankind. The moon was always there to foreshadow the bride's attitude to the groom.

Once you discover the metering in the text, you begin to see how it was specifically designed to work with the solar year. It is at that level that prophecy comes alive. One example is the number 57. In the meter, it represents the 7 days of Unleavened Bread, followed by Pentacost 50 days later. Then you have 308, which was borrowed by the Apostle Paul from Genesis 5. Adam died in Enoch's 308th year, then 57 years later, Enoch was taken. 308+57=365.

Anyways, my point is, you have to understand the calendar that Jesus lived by to understand when He died. How could Jesus be the Passover Lamb and eat the Passover Lamb at the same time? It didnt happen that way, Jesus died on true Passover, but the Sadducees had Judea celebrating Passover 4 days early....the Passover of the JEWS, not the true Passover.




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