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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Astyanax
Thanks very much for that. It was frustrating thinking that information was out there, but just out of reach! Damn google!
It does make a lot of sense that if it was a dangerous chemical doctors wouldn't be asking you to drink it or pipe it up your bum.
So it looks like at least one part of the hype has been put back into the reality box.
originally posted by: waynos
originally posted by: mrthumpy
originally posted by: waynos
Just a thought regarding the justification of chemtrail belief with the line that one "knows the local air route so it can't be them"'.
In my years of sky watching and taking around 30,000 photos of planes (hey! I enjoy it), as well as understanding about aviation, I've also become familiar with certain flight routes. Now one of these, by way of example, is EK17 and its return counterpart EK18 which pass directly over my house on a daily basis, except that sometimes they aren't directly overhead, sometimes it passes North of me, sometimes South. Indeed I've learned that it can appear almost anywhere in the visible sky as the highly distinctive and recognisable white Emirates A380 double decker makes its way to and from Manchester. So you see, flight routes are fairly flexible, so that justification just doesn't work.
Plus 'planes in the sky may appear closer than they are'. I've been surprised to find just how far away flights that looked pretty much overhead to me actually were when I get home and check
I posted a graphic that illustrates this in the Aviation forum today. A flight you can see in the sky could be 100 miles away, even one 20 miles away can appear to be almost overhead.
Edit to add graphic. I think it was created by Mick West.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: waynos
In slightly more detail, here.
A Barium swallow and meal involves swallowing a drink that contains barium (a substance which shows up on X-rays). The barium coats the inside of your throat, oesophagus (the pipe that goes from your mouth to your stomach), stomach and small bowel. This allows for clearer X-ray images.
The test is often done as an outpatient procedure in a hospital's imaging or radiology department.
A barium swallow and meal test can give your doctor information about your swallowing action. It can also pick up patches of irritation such as ulcers, abnormal growths, narrowing or a blockage.
originally posted by: waynos
a reply to: OneManArmy
But the claim is barium poisoning. Barium. Nothing about the other elements that make up those compounds. So which is it?
Note that 'barium toxicity is produced by the free cation'. For those who aren't familiar with chemistry, this means it's the other substance in the barium compound that causes the toxic reaction. The barium itself (the 'anion') is harmless.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: network dude
Thanks. I must confess, though, that I got the chemistry wrong. This bit:
Note that 'barium toxicity is produced by the free cation'. For those who aren't familiar with chemistry, this means it's the other substance in the barium compound that causes the toxic reaction. The barium itself (the 'anion') is harmless.
This is a basic and stupid error; what was I thinking? The cation is, in fact, the positively charged ion — the barium ion, in this case. However, you have to consume soluble barium salts in large quantities (the guy who tried to kill himself swallowed about 13gm of barium chloride and lived, though he'd have died without medical intervention) to experience toxicity. You need concentrations tens of thousands of times higher than anything that could result from bioaccumulation. The truth is that barium, like most light metals, simply isn't very toxic.
originally posted by: waynos
a reply to: OneManArmy
Its not my point. I'm not claiming anything. we had a post which claimed that toxic levels of barium were discovered after spraying.
Quite apart from there being nothing to connect any levels of barium with aerial spraying, nobody seems to know what constitutes a toxic level. Therefore the claim appears to be fatuous.
Oh yes, because every different Barium compound is exactly the same right?
Is the Barium compound used for enemas in X rays the same Barium compound that causes gastroenteritis?
Whats the difference between Barium Sulphide, Barium Chloride, Barium Iodide, Barium Carbonate?
originally posted by: rebelv
I swear (not really) that if the moon were slowly drifting away
from the earth appearing to get smaller gradually over time,
only older people that have lived a few decades would even notice it,
and if the official story was no, no, the moon's not drifting away from the
earth, its always looked that way, your official explanation believers
would agree.
BTW, I haven't confirmed the story, but I heard on a talk radio
station that the fairly new curriculum for public schools includes
a textbook that actually teaches children what geo-engineering is,
that they are spraying chemicals from airplanes into the air,
and their purpose is to combat "global warming"
Maybe I'll just ask a 5th grader, if this is true then
they would probably know more about "chem-trails" than we do, lol.
I'd love to see the look on a "chem-trail" debunkers face, when they're
outside at the park with their kid, and the kid points up to the sky and
says something like:
"Wow dad, sure are spraying a lot today!"
And dad says, "What do you mean, spraying?"
And kid says, "Spraying chemicals to cool down the earth"
And dad says, "Who told you that?"
"At school, its right in this book, let me show it to you"