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In Defense of Chemtrail Conspiracy Theorists

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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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Chemtrails.



Claimed to be huge visible plumes, often turning a blue sky white, sprayed from large jets at high altitude over vast areas (not my description) - see sites such as geoengineeringwatch etc. In reality more likely to be contrails and cirrus clouds.

Cloud seeding.



Silver iodide candles mounted on light aircraft (because they are small) to drop nucleation particles into low lying cumulous clouds to induce precipitation.

Not visible from the ground and extremely localised.

Apples and fish fingers.




posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: waynos

you should save that post and use it when needed. (about 4-5 times a week during summer time) it sure would save some bandwidth.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: john666
Every person on this forum who is "debunking" Chemtrails is a disinformation agent.
There are no exceptions to this rule, because you can not go to a conspiracy forum and not be convinced that Chemtrails are real.
Shills are probably going to react to this post of mine with arrogance and lies, like they always do, but I am not going to react to them and neither should you.

It is very likely that maybe even as much as half of forum members are government agents.

I was once that person. I thought it was true so I played devils advocate and tried to prove it using verifiable and trusted sources. As hard as I tried, I failed. I found evidence of all sorts of poisoning the populations, but nothing to link it to "chemtrails". That doesnt mean the evidence doesnt exist, it just means I havent been able to find it, and I really did try.
I still have a deep instinct that it goes on, given the history of covert human testing, but I just cannot prove it.
And proof or at least verifiable evidence Im afraid is the most important thing when making a claim.

I couldnt prove elite paedophile rings, but that doesnt mean they werent real, just look at the westminster scandal.
Which just goes to prove that a concerted effort by TPTB can keep something so disgusting and appalling a secret for DECADES.

Chemtrails are a conspiracy theory still, until good evidence is found. Im sure the sky never used to be filled with criss crossing "contrails". I do trust my instincts, they have served me well, but I also trust evidence, and looking up at the sky and seeing the trails is all we really have right now.

There are many sites that are using conspiracies for their own twisted agendas, caution is always necessary. Everyone seems to have an agenda. All we can do as seekers of truth, is seek the truth, not evidence that supports a preconception.
The truth is the truth whether we like it or not, whether its a truth known by one person or by everybody else, the truth is the truth, its so very easy to get sidetracked by propaganda and disinformation, but knowledge and wisdom comes from the search for truth, not by having someone lay it on a plate and claim its the truth without anything substantial to back it up.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: waynosa distinctive lack of concern about Barium at all except on conspiracy sites. The search goes on.


Im sorry, I should have been more precise with what I was calling untrue.

All I did to find numerous articles on barium poisoning and toxic levels was google "Barium blood toxicity levels" that was it.
Sorry if I came across arrogant and I understand that you was expressing an opinion based on a poor search, lol.
Im just playing, nothing personal, call it banter.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: waynos

I gave a star to your post, because of your picture of Chemtrails over Manchester, however I think that "Cloud seeding" may be a disinformation, to which you - and many others - have fallen prey.
Check out this link;
www.oilfreefun.com...



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: john666
Every person on this forum who is "debunking" Chemtrails is a disinformation agent.
There are no exceptions to this rule, because you can not go to a conspiracy forum and not be convinced that Chemtrails are real.
Shills are probably going to react to this post of mine with arrogance and lies, like they always do, but I am not going to react to them and neither should you.

It is very likely that maybe even as much as half of forum members are government agents.


Bull crap. I on no uncertain terms claim chemtrails to be a phenomena of a crazy mind.
I WISH someone would pay me for my opinion. Man how I wish that. Disinformation agent is another phenomena of a mind that can't support its convictions. I can't fight your logic so I'll just call you names. To which I say....I'm rubber your glue.. na na ne na,na...
Rolls eyes...



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy
Ok, yes, you believe in chemtrails and I dont, but I like that. It was a very good post. There are some points you made I could respond to, but at this point that would feel churlish and could undermine your overall point so I'll leave it. Star for you.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy

Yes, I can see that now too. No worries. I had searched "dangerous levels of barium" when I posted that. I played around with different search terms and certainly found contrary views, but not the info I was looking for.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: john666
a reply to: waynos

I gave a star to your post, because of your picture of Chemtrails over Manchester, however I think that "Cloud seeding" may be a disinformation, to which you - and many others - have fallen prey.
Check out this link;
www.oilfreefun.com...



No, cloud seeding is very much real. It was started during the Vietnam war.
Only earlier this week or at the end of last week I saw an article suspecting "foreign" countries of causing weather modification in the UK.
Cloud seeding and weather modification is very much real. It has a lot of evidence to back it up, unlike chemtrails.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: john666
Every person on this forum who is "debunking" Chemtrails is a disinformation agent.
There are no exceptions to this rule, because you can not go to a conspiracy forum and not be convinced that Chemtrails are real.
Shills are probably going to react to this post of mine with arrogance and lies, like they always do, but I am not going to react to them and neither should you.

It is very likely that maybe even as much as half of forum members are government agents.

I was once that person. I thought it was true so I played devils advocate and tried to prove it using verifiable and trusted sources. As hard as I tried, I failed. I found evidence of all sorts of poisoning the populations, but nothing to link it to "chemtrails". That doesnt mean the evidence doesnt exist, it just means I havent been able to find it, and I really did try.
I still have a deep instinct that it goes on, given the history of covert human testing, but I just cannot prove it.
And proof or at least verifiable evidence Im afraid is the most important thing when making a claim.

I couldnt prove elite paedophile rings, but that doesnt mean they werent real, just look at the westminster scandal.
Which just goes to prove that a concerted effort by TPTB can keep something so disgusting and appalling a secret for DECADES.

Chemtrails are a conspiracy theory still, until good evidence is found. Im sure the sky never used to be filled with criss crossing "contrails". I do trust my instincts, they have served me well, but I also trust evidence, and looking up at the sky and seeing the trails is all we really have right now.

There are many sites that are using conspiracies for their own twisted agendas, caution is always necessary. Everyone seems to have an agenda. All we can do as seekers of truth, is seek the truth, not evidence that supports a preconception.
The truth is the truth whether we like it or not, whether its a truth known by one person or by everybody else, the truth is the truth, its so very easy to get sidetracked by propaganda and disinformation, but knowledge and wisdom comes from the search for truth, not by having someone lay it on a plate and claim its the truth without anything substantial to back it up.


When I was talking about shills, I was talking about those who deny what you just said:
Im sure the sky never used to be filled with criss crossing "contrails".



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: john666

And there is a perfectly good, science backed reason why it happens now, that has nothing to do with spraying anything.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: waynos
a reply to: OneManArmy
Ok, yes, you believe in chemtrails and I dont, but I like that. It was a very good post. There are some points you made I could respond to, but at this point that would feel churlish and could undermine your overall point so I'll leave it. Star for you.


No, I no longer "believe", as I have found very little real evidence. Thanks to people like Network Dude, Aloysius(Mike), and yourself. Although I do suspect, based on instinct and not remembering ever seeing contrails stay in the sky all day as a kid.
I have a feeling, that is all. And feelings dont count for much these days, unless its hatred of others im supposed to be feeling.

I do enjoy the debate, I usually learn something while trawling through the data. On the subject of chemtrails I did a 180, so that cannot be bad.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: john666
a reply to: waynos

I gave a star to your post, because of your picture of Chemtrails over Manchester, however I think that "Cloud seeding" may be a disinformation, to which you - and many others - have fallen prey.
Check out this link;
www.oilfreefun.com...



No, cloud seeding is very much real. It was started during the Vietnam war.
Only earlier this week or at the end of last week I saw an article suspecting "foreign" countries of causing weather modification in the UK.
Cloud seeding and weather modification is very much real. It has a lot of evidence to back it up, unlike chemtrails.


I am not saying that cloud seeding is not necessarily true, but that chemtrails are not used for cloud seeding.
I have seen many times natural rain clouds forming, after which airplanes with chemtrails came and annihilated those natural rain clouds.
That is not cloud seeding, but the reverse of it.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: john666
a reply to: waynos

I gave a star to your post, because of your picture of Chemtrails over Manchester, however I think that "Cloud seeding" may be a disinformation, to which you - and many others - have fallen prey.
Check out this link;
www.oilfreefun.com...



Well, thanks for the star, and you're entitled to think that if you wish, but on what basis do you see it as disinformation?

Cloud seeding is not an alternative explanation for chemtrails or contrails, they are entirely different things, as I posted. Cirrus clouds, the sort you get up with the air traffic and contrails, never produce rain. Cumulous clouds produce rain and they occur far lower down.

The fact that chemtrails were first reported in the 1990's and I knew about cloud seeding twenty years earlier (and having read about it in a book published in the 1950's) is incidental, but relevant to your point.

Is there a reason why you don't seem to think that the link you provided is disinformation? When was silver iodide ever detected in contrails?



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: john666

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: john666
Every person on this forum who is "debunking" Chemtrails is a disinformation agent.
There are no exceptions to this rule, because you can not go to a conspiracy forum and not be convinced that Chemtrails are real.
Shills are probably going to react to this post of mine with arrogance and lies, like they always do, but I am not going to react to them and neither should you.

It is very likely that maybe even as much as half of forum members are government agents.

I was once that person. I thought it was true so I played devils advocate and tried to prove it using verifiable and trusted sources. As hard as I tried, I failed. I found evidence of all sorts of poisoning the populations, but nothing to link it to "chemtrails". That doesnt mean the evidence doesnt exist, it just means I havent been able to find it, and I really did try.
I still have a deep instinct that it goes on, given the history of covert human testing, but I just cannot prove it.
And proof or at least verifiable evidence Im afraid is the most important thing when making a claim.

I couldnt prove elite paedophile rings, but that doesnt mean they werent real, just look at the westminster scandal.
Which just goes to prove that a concerted effort by TPTB can keep something so disgusting and appalling a secret for DECADES.

Chemtrails are a conspiracy theory still, until good evidence is found. Im sure the sky never used to be filled with criss crossing "contrails". I do trust my instincts, they have served me well, but I also trust evidence, and looking up at the sky and seeing the trails is all we really have right now.

There are many sites that are using conspiracies for their own twisted agendas, caution is always necessary. Everyone seems to have an agenda. All we can do as seekers of truth, is seek the truth, not evidence that supports a preconception.
The truth is the truth whether we like it or not, whether its a truth known by one person or by everybody else, the truth is the truth, its so very easy to get sidetracked by propaganda and disinformation, but knowledge and wisdom comes from the search for truth, not by having someone lay it on a plate and claim its the truth without anything substantial to back it up.


When I was talking about shills, I was talking about those who deny what you just said:
Im sure the sky never used to be filled with criss crossing "contrails".



Well I don't think any of the debunkers on here would ever deny that. I wouldn't because it's a fact. I have however researched the reasons behind it rather than just assume "chemtrails" did it.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: waynos

originally posted by: john666
a reply to: waynos

I gave a star to your post, because of your picture of Chemtrails over Manchester, however I think that "Cloud seeding" may be a disinformation, to which you - and many others - have fallen prey.
Check out this link;
www.oilfreefun.com...



Well, thanks for the star, and you're entitled to think that if you wish, but on what basis do you see it as disinformation?

Cloud seeding is not an alternative explanation for chemtrails or contrails, they are entirely different things, as I posted. Cirrus clouds, the sort you get up with the air traffic and contrails, never produce rain. Cumulous clouds produce rain and they occur far lower down.

The fact that chemtrails were first reported in the 1990's and I knew about cloud seeding twenty years earlier (and having read about it in a book published in the 1950's) is incidental, but relevant to your point.

Is there a reason why you don't seem to think that the link you provided is disinformation? When was silver iodide ever detected in contrails?


I do not think that silver is being found in the atmosphere in any significant amount.
Also from my own experience, chemtrails often destroy natural clouds.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: john666

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: john666
a reply to: waynos

I gave a star to your post, because of your picture of Chemtrails over Manchester, however I think that "Cloud seeding" may be a disinformation, to which you - and many others - have fallen prey.
Check out this link;
www.oilfreefun.com...



No, cloud seeding is very much real. It was started during the Vietnam war.
Only earlier this week or at the end of last week I saw an article suspecting "foreign" countries of causing weather modification in the UK.
Cloud seeding and weather modification is very much real. It has a lot of evidence to back it up, unlike chemtrails.


I am not saying that cloud seeding is not necessarily true, but that chemtrails are not used for cloud seeding.
I have seen many times natural rain clouds forming, after which airplanes with chemtrails came and annihilated those natural rain clouds.
That is not cloud seeding, but the reverse of it.


This isn't an attack, more of an informational post.

Contrails form at levels equal to cirrus clouds.


You will notice in the diagram, the cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds have a base much lower to the ground. Those are the type of clouds that cause rain and are subject to seeding. While it's hard to determine altitude of something by sight alone, knowing the type of clouds you are looking at and judging if the object is above or below them, will help narrow it down a bit.

Contrails usually form ahead of a change in weather. If you see a three day forecast of a summer storm, a day or two before the storm comes, you might see an increase in visible lasting contrails. It's not the contrail affecting the weather, it's the opposite. Like you mentioned.

And by all means, please, don't just take my, or anyone else's word for that, look it up to verify it's true.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not covered up... Misunderstood/hidden due to scientific paradigms reinforced by agenda driven funding.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: and14263

That is also fallacious. There is nothing preventing a scientist from researching in the field they want to research in. There is more money in research than just from the US government. Countries all over the world contribute money to research, independent sources contribute as well, and even universities lend money to it. With all these sources, you should have little problem locating someone to pay for your research.
edit on 19-2-2015 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I guess I'm naive enough to believe Tesla's research was supressed and modern day equivalents don't make it out of the government's labs/books.

Fantasy?



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