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UK Wants Unemployed Youth to Do Unpaid Work for the State. State Sponsored Slavery or.....?

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posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

If there is plenty of work out there then why not give them really jobs with real wages?

And starve they will indeed with only an extra £10 added to there all ready insufficient benefit.


You are suggesting holding the sheep and feeding it. Let it graze on its own, there's plenty of grazing land out there.




posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Im suggesting a fair day pay for a fair days work which is exactly what everyone deserves! You cannot circumvent the minimum wage in a nation that possess one simply because it defeats the purpose of said wage. Stands to reason!



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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It always seems so weird to me that some people always want to punish those who are already having a tough time. I'm sure if the government were looking for volunteer enforcers of this program there would be no shortage of drones willing to crack the whip on behalf of their masters



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Tell me this buddy if you were to forced to work for only £72.40 + an additional £10 per week, can you in all good conscience say that you would do it?

Could you even survive on such a pittance? I could not do it, its simply not economically viable. Keeping in mind you have Gas, Electricity, food and travel cost to accommodate. Its simply not possible.
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posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

But this scheme has be in existance for years, they just keep renaming it. I have actually had to work for my dole when I was unemployed. After a while of claiming dole they send you on a course of work for about 15 weeks. I have planted trees and cleaned up crappy areas. Also worked in a computer shop repairing and cleaning them up. I think I got an extra £15 plus travel expenses. They could extend this for all unemployed people and say for a period of 15 weeks you are going to have to do some form of work.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: Aspie

Im not suggesting allowing any able bodied Man or Woman sit on the arse and do nothing. I agree that people who are able to work should be made to do so if for the only reason that it gives a modicum of self respect. But pay them the same cash money as the rest of the people in employment anything else is simply indentured servitude and i really dont see how anyone can argue otherwise. This nation has a safety net for a reason and the overtly totalitarian scum thats proposing or renaming such schemes are perfectly aware of that fact.
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posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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What the law says
Article 4: Prohibition of slavery and forced labour

1. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.

2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.

3. For the purpose of this Article the term "forced or compulsory labour" shall not include:

a) any work required to be done in the ordinary course of detention imposed according to the provisions of Article 5 of this Convention or during conditional release from such detention;

b) any service of a military character or, in case of conscientious
objectors in countries where they are recognised, service exacted instead of compulsory military service;

c) any service exacted in case of an emergency or calamity threatening the life or well-being of the community;

d) any work or service which forms part of normal civic obligations.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Tell me this buddy if you were to forced to work for only £72.40 + an additional £10 per week, can you in all good conscience say that you would do it?

Could you even survive on such a pittance? I could not do it, its simply not economically viable. Keeping in mind you have Gas, Electricity, food and travel cost to accommodate. Its simply not possible.


I can see where you're coming from. On that amount it would be difficult to survive. But the answer is easy, stop dossing and get a job. There are loads of jobs out there, trouble is some people won't do them. The more we throw at the lazy the more they will sit on there arses watching Jeremy Kyle and eating kebabs.

If an animal, let's ay a fox doesn't go out hunting (working) then it will starve. We are creating something that is far from nature by going against this



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

A lot of these poor sods are exactly the same crowd that you find on shows like Jeremy Kyle's. Meaning they are generally a couple a tinnies short of a six pack at the very least. Who is going to employ People who can barely speak the queen's English never mind read or write properly?

In an ideal world i imagine there should be a position of work available to all walks of life but the reality of the situation is just not the case. A significant percentage of the poor souls who find themselves forced on to these type of work related programs simply cannot find employment due to near illiteracy and/or poor numerical skills. Not to mention the other mental and social problems that also go hand in hand with there way of life.

End of the day there not animals there people, however misguided some of them may be and should be treated as such.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

A lot of these poor sods are exactly the same crowd that you find on shows like Jeremy Kyle's. Meaning they are generally a couple a tinnies short of a six pack at the very least. Who is going to employ People who can barely speak the queen's English never mind read or write properly?



Total cock piss. They can press a button, push a trolley, pull a pallet truck. They are lazy pure and simple



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Unfortunately through buddy its not "Total cock piss". However if indeed it is just how you say, and these poor sods can indeed press a button, push a trolley or pull a pallet truck, then pay them the same as the rest of our workforce!



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

A significant percentage of the poor souls who find themselves forced on to these type of work related programs simply cannot find employment due to near illiteracy and/or poor numerical skills.


But that is their own fault for not trying at school and just dicking about for 5 years. No one should be leaving school without the ability to read and write and have a good grasp of maths. They should be made to stay on at school until they do so.

They are lazy. They want and want and want but don't want to do anything for it.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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What if the child becomes injured on the job?



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Unfortunately through buddy its not "Total cock piss". However if indeed it is just how you say, and these poor sods can indeed press a button, push a trolley or pull a pallet truck, then pay them the same as the rest of our workforce!


Why do that? If they want proper wages they can get off their fat arses and go find a real job. There are companies crying out for labour, there's no issue right now in getting a paid job. But a certain percentge of our population just doesn't want to work, they are bone idle. For that reason I agree with making the unemployed youth do unpaid work for the state, because at leat we (the working class) are getting something for our taxes. What on gods earth is wrong with that Andyshake?



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: sean
What if the child becomes injured on the job?


This isn't about the workhouse. It's about lazy good for nothing shaven headed white youth who like Jeremy Kyle and Kebabs
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posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: sean
This thread is not talking about children because UK law now requires 16-18 year olds to remain in education, training, or a work based employed apprenticeship.
The folk in question are 18+ and if they became injured in the benefit/work 'placement' they are covered by the same liability legislation/civil courts/etc for damages as employees, plus they will then claim 'employment support allowance' paid at similar rates as their unemployed benefits after providing medical evidence.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: Aspie

So because they have a poor education and cannot find employment our government should be allowed to force them to do menial labour for less than the minimum wage?

Once they are over the age of 16 they are considered adults how do you propose to force an adult to stay in School?



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Sorry but i cannot entertain the notion of making people do unpaid work for anything other than community service purposes rather than a prison sentence.

The notion of unpaid work under any other circumstance simply belongs in the dark ages which is exactly where the people who propose such schemes wish us to return.

Work without reward or basic payment is simply slavery no matter which way "They" attempt to butter it up or have you swallow it!


On that note i must bid you good evening as im away to the pub for a few beers.

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posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Sorry but i cannot entertain the notion of making people do unpaid work for anything other than community service purposes rather than a prison sentence.


On that note i must bid you good evening as im away to the pub for a few beers.


Well by throwing people a free lifestyle (living on the backs of others - me/you) then a zoo is created. A zoo with human animals taken away from nature barking "feed me feed me"

Enjoy the beers buddy
Great site this



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Depends on how you define free lifestyle some of the people in question seldom leave the housing schemes they were born in and find it hard to socialise or interact out with the area they come from, and/or in our everyday environment, never-mind an actual place of work.

I would never define such a way of life as "free lifestyle", certainly a contained life style with rather limited options regarding both education, health and mental health.

A Zoo is quite close to the mark regarding some of the social upheavals and environmental circumstances some of the people who are involved in these forced work schemes face on a daily basis. Actually i would say more like a safari park but now the Zoo Keepers are putting up signs that say "Dont Feed The Animals Because We Are Trying To Starve Them To Death".

The Government has decided they cannot or are unable to find employment. Yet miraculously when the very same government somehow accomplish the act of finding the poor souls a job they then penalise them by paying them a token sum. Thats a lose lose situation for the poor sods if ever there was one.




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