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ketsudo: Since the whole mission of life is to step away from your flesh toward the spirit, then you are born as a being wholly mired in the flesh. Infants and young children are a lot like little animals in that they act primarily on instinct and them graduate to an entirely self-centered and selfish world-view. Part of your job as a parent is to train them to think of and consider others, otherwise they will go right on living a worldly and self-centered life that goes completely counter to what Christ teaches.
Ketsudo: It's just natural instinct to go that way. Look at nature which is why I say this "back to nature" movement is not necessarily something you should trust in all things. Just because you see something in nature doesn't make it moral.
Chris was a special case and likely born somewhat self aware and thus able to control himself from the start; something human infants are not able to do.
Vetting the human: You do not know what Christ Consciousness entails? Now we are 'relatively innocent at birth' but have capacity to fathom evil as a helpless infant? Your explanation of the virgin birth of Jesus is compelling (to bypass the sins of the father) but I thought GOD is/was Jesus's father (or so Gabriel tells it so God is the culprit here). Jesus's soul is eternal so would never experience a 'spiritual death'. His physical death was the message "I am more than my material body AND SO ARE YOU". Jesus did not save me from myself.
BELIEVERpriest: By Christ consciousness, are you refering to learning the mind of christ in the bible, or are you refering to the Theosophical term?
BELIEVERpriest: A child is fallen even at birth, as he/she will grow up to become disobediant on some level, however, a child cannot be held accountable for what he/she cannot comprehend. It is not until we are aware of our fallen nature and God's existance that we can be held accountable. That age is different for each person.
BELIEVERpriest: God is indeed Jesus' father, that is why He was born without sin.
Humans consist of body, soul, and spirit (i have experienced the soul-spirit dichodomy in various OOBEs). At birth, our immortal soul is imputed to the body, but the spirit is stillborn. This is why we must be born again (notice that we are not saved by being 'concieved again'). Jesus suffered temporary separation from the Father which resulted in spirit-death not soul-death, but being God, His spirit was revived.
VHB: Why do you have a problem with those claiming to admire Jesus, are you 'more in the knowledge' and those others not as WORTHY, how do you make that judgement call upon others? Narrowness is not the way to heaven.
BELIEVERpriest: My knowledge of Christ is not of myself, therefore I cannot boast, I simply find it distatefull to claim to respect the /of Jesus Christ, without respecting His word.
A perfect example: You say the way to heaven in not narrow, but broad, yet Jesus said the absolute opposite. He said, wide is the gate to hell, and narrow is the path to heaven (of course I am paraphrasing feel free to quote the scripture).
This is a classic example of "admiring" Christ, but rejectig His wisdom.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Something I didn't add being pressed for time is that the big difference between animals and humans is that animals are innocent. They lack the capacity to ever really judge a right action from a wrong action or know good from evil. We do, and because we do, we are held to that standard and have the responsibility to do so.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Something I didn't add being pressed for time is that the big difference between animals and humans is that animals are innocent. They lack the capacity to ever really judge a right action from a wrong action or know good from evil. We do, and because we do, we are held to that standard and have the responsibility to do so.
BELIEVERpriest: I dont believe in reincarnation, therefore I did not choose to be born. Nor do I believe in the Theosophical Christ consciousness.
BELIEVERpriest: The world is not a guessing game, as I just gave you the initial answer you need to find your way, and God has provided a procedural manual for life through His word. The difference between faith in Christ and Religion is works. Jesus does not ask for your works to attain eternal life, simply faith. On the other hand, religion will send you on a wild goose chase all the way to hell.
BELIEVERpriest: Jesus was not a Gnostic, and He did believe in hell. He called it the place of "weeping and gnashing of teeth", and He even went as far to witness to the fallen angels in hell just before leading the believers in paradise to heaven.
ServantOfTheLamb: My problem when talking to people about the Bible, even other believers sometimes, is that no one takes the bible for what it is. What do I mean by that? Whenever we as people pick up a book and begin reading we don't have the questions everyone always ask about the Bible.
ServantOfTheLamb: If I pick up Homer's Iliad and begin reading it becomes quite obvious that I am reading epic poetry and that there will mostly be some metaphor and it is also unreliable for fact. As opposed to say if I open up Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews I see that it is written in historical narrative and doubt there will be much metaphor and imagery. If there is I assume context will show that to me clearly.
ServantOfTheLamb: Why can't people do this with the 66 books of the Bible......I mean revelations is apocalyptic literature. Obviously going to be doused in metaphor. Psalms is poetic literature. Again probably not to be interpreted literally most of the time. Luke, Mark, Matthew, and John are all written in historical narrative, so the writers of these books at least believed they were historical events.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Something I didn't add being pressed for time is that the big difference between animals and humans is that animals are innocent. They lack the capacity to ever really judge a right action from a wrong action or know good from evil. We do, and because we do, we are held to that standard and have the responsibility to do so.
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Something I didn't add being pressed for time is that the big difference between animals and humans is that animals are innocent. They lack the capacity to ever really judge a right action from a wrong action or know good from evil. We do, and because we do, we are held to that standard and have the responsibility to do so.
Humans are animals: mammals.
originally posted by: Prezbo369