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White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

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posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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Double post woops
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posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:27 AM
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Here is one UN report from last year summarizing what ISIS/ISIL has done in Iraq: UN Report on Violence in Iraq

Feel free to start around pg. 5 with the section: Violations and abuses committed by ISIL and associated armed
groups


Thousands of Iraqi Muslims (mostly Sunni) targeted directly or killed as a result of military activity.

Iraqui Sunnis (and Sh'ia), Yezidi, Turkmen Sh'ia Muslims, Shabak Sh'a Muslims, Kurds and Christians have been targetted.

This is NOT about Islam vs. Christianity, as the Libyan ISIL wanted to portray.

The world sees what these rats are about and will deal with them.

But it WON'T be because of religion.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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the new group of executioners was identified as "Soldiers of the Caliph'... now they are supportive of ISIS and have sworn allegiance... but this group of Jihadists have a similar but different focus point for Jihad...

the leader of the group just days ago took over the town council meeting, chased out all the legal government... then apparently found the 21 Egyptians being detained and found reason to kill them.....

Paraphrase: the beheadings take place in retaliation for the Egyptian Coptic Church mistreatment of Muslim women in Egypt

so, when the Egyptian workers in Libya who were detained for some reason since mid-December 2014 at the towns detention enter...the leader of the 'Soldiers of the Caliph' quickly condemned them to death for the Coptic Church discriminations of Muslim Women...

a blanket of guilt was thrown over these 21 Egyptian ex-patriots who came to Libya for work, not for plunder or for political reasons were made scapegoats...because of the sins-of-the Coptic Church in Egypt and not because they were individually found guilty of any crime or conspiracy to the peoples of Libya or to past infractions to Muslim women in Egypt...

It seems Obvious the band of Jihadists were the guilty party ...by suspending the existing government in the town, that action is considered Lawlessness the beheading of 21 innocent Egyptians for having some rudimentary association with a distant Coptic-Christian Church is called ruthless Terrorism in the rest of the World...

did Obama utter sympathy for the victims? or did he just whitewash the event in passing?
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posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: Awolscout

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

at the end of the day, whereever they find christians, regardless of flavor, race or country of origin, they kill them. don't pussyfoot around the issue.


So did you care when they killed non-christians this much? Cause it seems like you're implying killing 21 christians is somehow worse than killing 21 non-christians. Otherwise I'm not entirely sure why you're so adamant about the whole religion aspect and ignoring the far more vast number of murdered muslims.


do you care that 10 black people were killed in nigeria? or do you just care when they are american blacks or atheist blacks or whatever your flavor of world view happens to be?

what a silly question. i was upset that isis was killing all those people. quit blaming isis # on me.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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There is hypocrisy in how this was handled.
While the White House has gone out of it's way to remove ANY suggestion of religion being involved in their announcement on the 21 ISIS be-headings...

When three Muslims in the U.S. were recently shot by their fat-white guy-with-a-gun, neighbor over a parking space dispute, the President's very first personal comment to the press on the matter, jumped to the conclusion that it was a religious hate-crime (this was, of course, before the shooter's Facebook page revealed that the shooter was a progressive-liberal, Atheist, who hated the TEA Party and loved MSNBC).

It seems like the President has some kind of twisted double standard, where for domestic matters, Religious division is highlighted, encouraged, and capitalized upon...while in International matters, it must be ignored and denied at all costs.



Obama condemns 'outrageous murders' of three Muslims



WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama has made his first comments about the three young Muslims who were shot to death near a university campus — saying no one in America should ever be targeted "because of who they are, what they look like or how they worship."

uk.news.yahoo.com...



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Awolscout

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

at the end of the day, whereever they find christians, regardless of flavor, race or country of origin, they kill them. don't pussyfoot around the issue.


So did you care when they killed non-christians this much? Cause it seems like you're implying killing 21 christians is somehow worse than killing 21 non-christians. Otherwise I'm not entirely sure why you're so adamant about the whole religion aspect and ignoring the far more vast number of murdered muslims.


do you care that 10 black people were killed in nigeria? or do you just care when they are american blacks or atheist blacks or whatever your flavor of world view happens to be?

what a silly question. i was upset that isis was killing all those people. quit blaming isis # on me.


Im sorry what? How did anyone here blame any of this on you?

It should however be noted that instead of addressing the point you decided to resort to an ad hominem so that answers the question for me.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

thanks for the info and i understand now why you think i'm fussing needlessly, but i'm guessing that is not an accurate accounting of actual christian deaths, globally, which is what has christians in particular, on the alert. in pakistan, india, china, iraq, iran, south africa, nigeria, egypt, libya, syria and even parts of europe, ((and a bunch of other countries in africa) the trend in christian deaths are increasing. and many of them are not isis related.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: Awolscout

well you asked me a dumb question: you suggested i don't care about the other people. in this fashion, more and more christians are being killed,all over the globe and you can just sweep it under the rug cause somebody else died somewhere too.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

thanks for the info and i understand now why you think i'm fussing needlessly, but i'm guessing that is not an accurate accounting of actual christian deaths, globally, which is what has christians in particular, on the alert. in pakistan, india, china, iraq, iran, south africa, nigeria, egypt, libya, syria and even parts of europe, ((and a bunch of other countries in africa) the trend in christian deaths are increasing. and many of them are not isis related.


So, now the UN has an anti-Christian agenda as well? Hoo boy. Did you bother to read it? Did you notice the meticulous attention to detail and evidence? But, you're just going to wave that off because of your belief?

Okay, what's your data? What's your information source? Or are you listening to the "Christians are under attack" rhetoric and not pursuing facts?

Show me. I gave you evidence for my point, now, give me some evidence for yours.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

no the report was only about iraq, not about the whole planet. are you having problems reading my posts?



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

S&F!

Hmmm?


ISIL’s barbarity knows no bounds. It is unconstrained by faith, sect, or ethnicity.


Seems to me the above quote is true, however this barbaric act was clearly an act of attempted genocide against Egyptians who were also Coptic Christians.


Both demographics being quite low in Libya and together are very low % of the Libyan population [60,000 out of 6.5million or slightly under 1%] and out of that 60,000 Coptics these were adult men of working age only which is about 1/6th the total population and therefor 10,000 men and 10,000 men divided by 21 = 0.21% of the working male population and this is approximately about 1 in 500 men.

Libya wiki


Libya has a population of about 6.5 million, 27.7% of whom are under the age of 15.



There are small foreign communities of Christians. Coptic Orthodox Christianity, which is the Christian Church of Egypt, is the largest and most historical Christian denomination in Libya. There are about 60,000 Egyptian Copts in Libya. Most Copts in Libya are Egyptian with a small minority of them native Libyans who remained Christian after Islam came to Libya from Egypt.


This wasn't just a massacre!


It was attempted GENOCIDE!


For the White House to downplay this extreme War Crime is a disgusting display of cowardice!


BTW: I am not a muslim, christian, coptic, egyptian or libyan and I can see it clearly for what it was even if Obama and the WH can't admit it.


Shame on the WH!



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

no the report was only about iraq, not about the whole planet. are you having problems reading my posts?


What evidence to you have for a world-wide assault on Christians?

That's the question I requested an answer to.

The article addressed your misstatements about ISIS victims. I'm not responding to your "worldwide Christian genocide" claim until you have a chance to back it up.

Perhaps you should read both your own and my posts more clearly?

Thanks, very kindly, in advance for your evidence.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: SmartsAreInfectious

The crime is not being "downplayed" by anyone in the world, not the White House or anyone else.

Reference the aforementioned "hell blown out of ISIS in Libya" by the Egyptian Air Forces.

These victims were Egyptian ex-pats who had gone to Libya looking for work.

Shame on anyone who would try to cast this tragedy for puny political points here in the US.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP




If they weren't Christian they would still be alive.


Are you one of the Be-headers to know this, or did you have a say in their death?

How could you possibly say such a thing unless you were there and had a say or part in the deaths?

If the sites motto was a real thing amongst a majority of members and of things brought up and debated the site wouldn't be nearly as large as it today.

Its ignorant comments such as yours that make me really wonder how easily people can be manipulated to hate or those that already hate, act on behalf of their hatred.

I agree with posters the issue that specified in the title and how so many need the victims to be recognized as Christians is because they need the division to justify their hatred even thought the division isn't needed in such horrific acts towards other humans.

It doesn't matter what they believed but how and by whom they were killed, it doesn't matter what the killers say the faith is they follow as others of the same faith of Isis say they are not Muslims doing such horrific things.

But yes lets all makes sure the victims need to be recognized as Christians being killed by Muslims to support the divide and conquer technique either willingly or ignorantly.


Not even going bother reading any further than page 4 as its already pathetic in my opinion.

Carry on trying to divide yourselves, It breaks me apart seeing so many wanting divide instead of unite over acts of other divisions via horrific means such as these be-headings.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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satan is alive and well and doing his evil works thru isis. These Poor Souls, Our Coptic Brothers are now in Heaven sitting at the table of the Lord! talking about how much they love God! isis is like putty in the hands of the evil one, they have no backbone to say no to evil, what a bunch of misfits! a reply to: IAMTAT



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

i need to know first, what web resources addressing this issue, you will not accept. otherwise, i'm not going to waste my time. i'm already sick to my stomach from the bit of research i did do.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

i need to know first, what web resources addressing this issue, you will not accept. otherwise, i'm not going to waste my time. i'm already sick to my stomach from the bit of research i did do.


Any source with facts and figures rather than mere opinion, fear-mongering or Christian victim fantasies.

It's really not that hard, focus on facts that relate the number of Christians killed for being Christians to any reasonable baseline of murders, deaths, politically motivated crimes, etc.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:16 AM
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posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: MCL1150
satan is alive and well and doing his evil works thru isis. These Poor Souls, Our Coptic Brothers are now in Heaven sitting at the table of the Lord! talking about how much they love God! isis is like putty in the hands of the evil one, they have no backbone to say no to evil, what a bunch of misfits! a reply to: IAMTAT



Would you also say that Satan is working through the Christian terrorists in the Central African Republic committing recognized genocide?

How about murders, bombings, and other crimes committed by the Army of God and the Christian Identity movements in the US?

Or is Satan picky about who he works with, and is there some other Incarnation of Evil that uses Christians as sock-puppets?



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Uhmmm? I am not an American, nor a US citizen and I am judging the WH from the highly enlightened point of view of one of the USA allied countries!


I don't give a [expletive redacted] about your countries politics and ONLY care about your countries words and actions in regards to this subject matter currently!


The USA has officially downplayed this attempted genocide in a globally public manner and it is reprehensible!

Isis deserves far more scorn, but this threads topic is about the WH's response and reply to that obscene tragedy and they sorely disappointed me and many others I can see.


When the USA can't call a spade a spade for fear of emboldening the enemy is when the USA has crossed the rubicon of acting in a principled way to acting in a propagandized way!


If the means justify the ends then we in the west just lost on count of lack of moral backbone and lack of intestinal fortitude.


Meh!



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