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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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I am more worried about the increase of mixing religion with politics than shariah.


edit on 16-2-2015 by DMFL1133 because: Edited to remove the Oh wait ... at the end. It could have caused some confusion.




posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: DMFL1133

Why Do Right-Wing Christians Think 'Religious Freedom' Means Forcing Their Faith on You?




The report shows that Christian conservative circles have become awash in legends of being persecuted for their faith, stories that invariably turn out to be nonsense but that “serve to bolster a larger story, that of a majority religious group in American society becoming a persecuted minority, driven underground in its own country.” This sense of persecution, in turn, gives them justification to push their actual agenda of religious repression under the guise that they’re just protecting themselves.


Focus on the Family - Religious Freedom in Danger?



Given the religious roots of our founding, and the universal acknowledgment of Christianity's role in this nation's continued success, the alarming erosion of religious freedom we're now witnessing should serve as a wake-up call to us all.


83% of Americans Identify as Christian

Number of American Christians (296 Million)

Number of American Muslims (2 million)
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

In America in the foreseeable future I don't see SHariah happening. You may get small communities like Dearborn that have Shariah like communities. I do think if ISIS continues its ways eventually they will start their calpihate here. I will never respect muslim law cast upon me in AMerica so I hope they keep to themselves...around me anyway!



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: chuck258
The issue I brought up was with people who may immigrate here who are unable to tell the difference because that is simply (and tragically) what they grew up with.



originally posted by: chuck258
There are also a few, shall we say inconsistencies I see with Liberals though


Speaking of double standards...

Why is it so much of an issue if an immigrant to the USA commits a crime or rejects social norms, refuses to respect others or disagrees with the culture, but perfectly fine for Christian trailer trash to beat his wife and abuse his kids while waving around his guns and going to militia meetings where they rant about the Federal government?

You seem to be manufacturing a different set of rules or a different society depending on the origins of the person. You seem to be imagining that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are arriving in the USA and the first thing they're doing is smacking their wife in the face, throwing acid over a girl showing too much skin and demanding the executions of all gay people.

Obviously, this is not actually happening.

When you've dealt with American wife beaters, American homophobes, the American political extremists who want inflict their Christian ideology onto women, gay people and more, then maybe you'll have a point. Right now, there is no point to be made. There are not hundreds of thousands of people going to America thinking the laws are the same as those of Sudan, and even if they did, why would they be going to America to begin with?

This seems to all be nothing more than the result of propaganda, a real peculiar belief that Muslims all come from the same violent and extreme place, and that they all want to go to one of the most developed and free countries in the world to... inflict what they an away from on more people.

The vast majority of Muslims, whethever they are in the world, are nice people, decent people, modest people. Those who want to live in the USA are going to be even more appreciative of the freedoms they are granted.

There is an EXTREME MINORITY of nutters, but they are nowhere near as common as the fanatical, abusive, sexist, homophobic American.

When Muslim extremist attacks in the USA outnumber white American males shooting up a school/workplace/military base/theater then get back to me.
When the number of acid attacks on women by Muslim men outnumbers the number of attacks by American males against their girlfriends, wives or even strangers then come back again.
When the number of radical Islamic preachers murdering LGBT people is higher than the number of LGBT murdered by homophobic rednecks in the US, then you have reason to debate.

Until then, all I see is someone yet again creating an enemy based on irrational xenophobia.

Oh, and lets not forget that less than a week ago a WHITE AMERICAN MALE murdered three young, productive, intelligent, caring and thoughtful MUSLIMS execution style in America.

If you want to be fearful of anything, I think fear of your own fellow countrymen is more rational.
edit on 16-2-2015 by Rocker2013 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol




ZOMG, painting all American Christians and Republicans with the same brush as an EXTREME MINORITY OF FOLK!

Do you see the double standard here?

For the poster above you. You are trying to equate Muslim crimes with American crimes. Throwing acid in the face of a woman is much MUCH worse than a woman being slapped around by her boyfriend. The reason are also different. American men don't slap their women around because they are showing to much skin, they slap them around because the woman poured his booze down the drain, called the cops on him because he was being a drunken idiot or simply because they are wife beaters. But America has laws that deal with men like that, and it's a two tiered system. The legal portion, and then the justice they get in prison after it comes out that they abuse women. In many Muslim areas, beating your wife is no one else's business, in America, not so much. In Islam, it is the womans fault she is raped, in America, not so much.


Besides all of that. Not once have I claimed Muslims are coming here to abuse our women and rape our children. Right now, it is not an epidemic, but if a Sharia court is allowed to get a small foothold, and a small semblance of power, it is an extremely slippery slope. This is exactly what has happened in London. In the name of tolerance and diversity and respecting other cultures, they have allowed Muslims to push the envelope until they are past the point of no return. This is what I caution against. I don't know about you, but I have several gay friends. I do not wish to see them subject to what this guy had to go through in his own country.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

For perspective...

Source


Applying God’s Law: Religious Courts and Mediation in the U.S.
Across the United States, religious courts operate on a routine, everyday basis. The Roman Catholic Church alone has nearly 200 diocesan tribunals that handle a variety of cases, including an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 marriage annulments each year.

In addition, many Orthodox Jews use rabbinical courts to obtain religious divorces, resolve business conflicts and settle other disputes with fellow Jews. Similarly, many Muslims appeal to Islamic clerics to resolve marital disputes and other disagreements with fellow Muslims.

For the most part, religious courts and tribunals operate without much public notice or controversy. Occasionally, however, issues involving religious law or religious courts garner media attention. The handling of clergy sexual abuse cases under Catholic canon law, for example, has come under scrutiny.

Internal church proceedings aimed at disciplining Protestant clergy have generated news coverage because they have highlighted debates over same-sex marriage and openly gay ministers.

There also have been public protests against Orthodox Jewish men who refused to grant their wives a religious divorce.

Meanwhile, bills aimed at banning the use of Islamic (sharia) law – or at restricting the application of religious or foreign law in general – have been introduced in more than 30 state legislatures. (For more details on those legislative initiatives, see the map graphic “State Legislation Restricting Use of Foreign or Religious Law.”)
(Pew Research Center)

- AB



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol




ZOMG, painting all American Christians and Republicans with the same brush as an EXTREME MINORITY OF FOLK!

Do you see the double standard here?

For the poster above you. You are trying to equate Muslim crimes with American crimes. Throwing acid in the face of a woman is much MUCH worse than a woman being slapped around by her boyfriend. The reason are also different. American men don't slap their women around because they are showing to much skin, they slap them around because the woman poured his booze down the drain, called the cops on him because he was being a drunken idiot or simply because they are wife beaters. But America has laws that deal with men like that, and it's a two tiered system. The legal portion, and then the justice they get in prison after it comes out that they abuse women. In many Muslim areas, beating your wife is no one else's business, in America, not so much. In Islam, it is the womans fault she is raped, in America, not so much.
Islam isn't a country. A crime committed by a Muslim in America would be prosecuted, regardless of whether it was acceptable to a Sharia court or not.



Besides all of that. Not once have I claimed Muslims are coming here to abuse our women and rape our children. Right now, it is not an epidemic, but if a Sharia court is allowed to get a small foothold, and a small semblance of power, it is an extremely slippery slope. This is exactly what has happened in London. In the name of tolerance and diversity and respecting other cultures, they have allowed Muslims to push the envelope until they are past the point of no return.
Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: chuck258
The issue I brought up was with people who may immigrate here who are unable to tell the difference because that is simply (and tragically) what they grew up with.



originally posted by: chuck258
There are also a few, shall we say inconsistencies I see with Liberals though


Speaking of double standards...

Why is it so much of an issue if an immigrant to the USA commits a crime or rejects social norms, refuses to respect others or disagrees with the culture, but perfectly fine for Christian trailer trash to beat his wife and abuse his kids while waving around his guns and going to militia meetings where they rant about the Federal government?

You seem to be manufacturing a different set of rules or a different society depending on the origins of the person. You seem to be imagining that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are arriving in the USA and the first thing they're doing is smacking their wife in the face, throwing acid over a girl showing too much skin and demanding the executions of all gay people.

Obviously, this is not actually happening.

When you've dealt with American wife beaters, American homophobes, the American political extremists who want inflict their Christian ideology onto women, gay people and more, then maybe you'll have a point. Right now, there is no point to be made. There are not hundreds of thousands of people going to America thinking the laws are the same as those of Sudan, and even if they did, why would they be going to America to begin with?

This seems to all be nothing more than the result of propaganda, a real peculiar belief that Muslims all come from the same violent and extreme place, and that they all want to go to one of the most developed and free countries in the world to... inflict what they an away from on more people.

The vast majority of Muslims, whethever they are in the world, are nice people, decent people, modest people. Those who want to live in the USA are going to be even more appreciative of the freedoms they are granted.

There is an EXTREME MINORITY of nutters, but they are nowhere near as common as the fanatical, abusive, sexist, homophobic American.

When Muslim extremist attacks in the USA outnumber white American males shooting up a school/workplace/military base/theater then get back to me.
When the number of acid attacks on women by Muslim men outnumbers the number of attacks by American males against their girlfriends, wives or even strangers then come back again.
When the number of radical Islamic preachers murdering LGBT people is higher than the number of LGBT murdered by homophobic rednecks in the US, then you have reason to debate.

Until then, all I see is someone yet again creating an enemy based on irrational xenophobia.

Oh, and lets not forget that less than a week ago a WHITE AMERICAN MALE murdered three young, productive, intelligent, caring and thoughtful MUSLIMS execution style in America.

If you want to be fearful of anything, I think fear of your own fellow countrymen is more rational.



Please show me where it is 'perfectly alright' for "christian trailer trash" to abuse his wife and kids? I don't know one case where a woman was beaten, went to the police about it, who then snatched her up and drug her back home to be beaten again. In America, women have places to go if they are abused like this. I don't know one person that would allow such a thing to continue if they knew about it happening. If you know of many situations that are happening, then you have a responsibility to report it.

EDIT:
You know, as I read more of your post, I'm astounded at the drivel you believe. You honestly think the pain and suffering Muslim terrorists and extremists have inflicted upon gays, women and religious minorities equals the pain and suffering that they are subject to in the US, you have absolutely serious delusions. I'm done with this comment. I can't debate a point with someone who is THAT BLIND.

Don't get me started on racial crime trends in America.
edit on 16-2-2015 by chuck258 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol




ZOMG, painting all American Christians and Republicans with the same brush as an EXTREME MINORITY OF FOLK!

Do you see the double standard here?

For the poster above you. You are trying to equate Muslim crimes with American crimes. Throwing acid in the face of a woman is much MUCH worse than a woman being slapped around by her boyfriend. The reason are also different. American men don't slap their women around because they are showing to much skin, they slap them around because the woman poured his booze down the drain, called the cops on him because he was being a drunken idiot or simply because they are wife beaters. But America has laws that deal with men like that, and it's a two tiered system. The legal portion, and then the justice they get in prison after it comes out that they abuse women. In many Muslim areas, beating your wife is no one else's business, in America, not so much. In Islam, it is the womans fault she is raped, in America, not so much.
Islam isn't a country. A crime committed by a Muslim in America would be prosecuted, regardless of whether it was acceptable to a Sharia court or not.



Besides all of that. Not once have I claimed Muslims are coming here to abuse our women and rape our children. Right now, it is not an epidemic, but if a Sharia court is allowed to get a small foothold, and a small semblance of power, it is an extremely slippery slope. This is exactly what has happened in London. In the name of tolerance and diversity and respecting other cultures, they have allowed Muslims to push the envelope until they are past the point of no return.
Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?




At the bolded: That is the point I am trying to make. I don't know how I could have made it more clear in my original post. Of course, if an abusive situation like that was found out the legal system would attempt to prosecute, but that is IF THEY FIND OUT. Muslim immigrants who come here may not even realize they don't have to be subject to Sharia Law and live their life in fear. If this Sharia Tribunal is given a semblance of authority to the Muslim population, they might not KNOW THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM TO TURN TO. That is why, again, in my original post, I stated that as a result of this Sharia Tribunal, it needs to be made quite obvious and plain for the whole Muslim population to see that that Sharia tribunal has no real authority.

Slippery slope, I keep saying it.

At the second bolded: Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?

I linked a video at the end of the post you actually quoted, maybe you didn't see it?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol




ZOMG, painting all American Christians and Republicans with the same brush as an EXTREME MINORITY OF FOLK!

Do you see the double standard here?

For the poster above you. You are trying to equate Muslim crimes with American crimes. Throwing acid in the face of a woman is much MUCH worse than a woman being slapped around by her boyfriend. The reason are also different. American men don't slap their women around because they are showing to much skin, they slap them around because the woman poured his booze down the drain, called the cops on him because he was being a drunken idiot or simply because they are wife beaters. But America has laws that deal with men like that, and it's a two tiered system. The legal portion, and then the justice they get in prison after it comes out that they abuse women. In many Muslim areas, beating your wife is no one else's business, in America, not so much. In Islam, it is the womans fault she is raped, in America, not so much.
Islam isn't a country. A crime committed by a Muslim in America would be prosecuted, regardless of whether it was acceptable to a Sharia court or not.



Besides all of that. Not once have I claimed Muslims are coming here to abuse our women and rape our children. Right now, it is not an epidemic, but if a Sharia court is allowed to get a small foothold, and a small semblance of power, it is an extremely slippery slope. This is exactly what has happened in London. In the name of tolerance and diversity and respecting other cultures, they have allowed Muslims to push the envelope until they are past the point of no return.
Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?




At the bolded: That is the point I am trying to make. I don't know how I could have made it more clear in my original post. Of course, if an abusive situation like that was found out the legal system would attempt to prosecute, but that is IF THEY FIND OUT. Muslim immigrants who come here may not even realize they don't have to be subject to Sharia Law and live their life in fear. If this Sharia Tribunal is given a semblance of authority to the Muslim population, they might not KNOW THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM TO TURN TO. That is why, again, in my original post, I stated that as a result of this Sharia Tribunal, it needs to be made quite obvious and plain for the whole Muslim population to see that that Sharia tribunal has no real authority.

Slippery slope, I keep saying it.
Why do you care so much whether random immigrants break the law? Why is this a talking point?




At the second bolded: Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?

I linked a video at the end of the post you actually quoted, maybe you didn't see it?
The name of the YouTube channel you have cited for "evidence" is DontBendOverForAllah. Did you see the thing I said about a hysterical source? Where's the evidence that London is turning into Islamtown outside of some isolated incidents? Show me on a map where I have to wrap my women up in a burka in London or they'll be beheaded?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 07:31 PM
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If they can not brake are laws
then we Can Not brake thire laws.

this souns fun.
lets brake ALL thire laws.

In the UK a muslim whas buried by a christian.
the muslims did not like this!
so they made them Move the christian!

edit on 16-2-2015 by buddha because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: buddha
If they can not brake are laws
then we Can Not brake thire laws.

this souns fun.
lets brake ALL thire laws.


???




posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol




ZOMG, painting all American Christians and Republicans with the same brush as an EXTREME MINORITY OF FOLK!

Do you see the double standard here?

For the poster above you. You are trying to equate Muslim crimes with American crimes. Throwing acid in the face of a woman is much MUCH worse than a woman being slapped around by her boyfriend. The reason are also different. American men don't slap their women around because they are showing to much skin, they slap them around because the woman poured his booze down the drain, called the cops on him because he was being a drunken idiot or simply because they are wife beaters. But America has laws that deal with men like that, and it's a two tiered system. The legal portion, and then the justice they get in prison after it comes out that they abuse women. In many Muslim areas, beating your wife is no one else's business, in America, not so much. In Islam, it is the womans fault she is raped, in America, not so much.
Islam isn't a country. A crime committed by a Muslim in America would be prosecuted, regardless of whether it was acceptable to a Sharia court or not.



Besides all of that. Not once have I claimed Muslims are coming here to abuse our women and rape our children. Right now, it is not an epidemic, but if a Sharia court is allowed to get a small foothold, and a small semblance of power, it is an extremely slippery slope. This is exactly what has happened in London. In the name of tolerance and diversity and respecting other cultures, they have allowed Muslims to push the envelope until they are past the point of no return.
Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?




At the bolded: That is the point I am trying to make. I don't know how I could have made it more clear in my original post. Of course, if an abusive situation like that was found out the legal system would attempt to prosecute, but that is IF THEY FIND OUT. Muslim immigrants who come here may not even realize they don't have to be subject to Sharia Law and live their life in fear. If this Sharia Tribunal is given a semblance of authority to the Muslim population, they might not KNOW THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM TO TURN TO. That is why, again, in my original post, I stated that as a result of this Sharia Tribunal, it needs to be made quite obvious and plain for the whole Muslim population to see that that Sharia tribunal has no real authority.

Slippery slope, I keep saying it.
Why do you care so much whether random immigrants break the law? Why is this a talking point?




At the second bolded: Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?

I linked a video at the end of the post you actually quoted, maybe you didn't see it?
The name of the YouTube channel you have cited for "evidence" is DontBendOverForAllah. Did you see the thing I said about a hysterical source? Where's the evidence that London is turning into Islamtown outside of some isolated incidents? Show me on a map where I have to wrap my women up in a burka in London or they'll be beheaded?


At the first bolded: It's not so much about a random immigrant breaking a law, I'm honestly notsure where you got that from. That point deals with how immigrant muslims might become victims of sharia law when they might not know they don't have to subject themselves to it.

At the second bolded: Thankfully we are not yet at the point of public beheadings for breaking Sharia law, but that doesn't mean their aren't harassment's and attacks, since you don't want to check for yourself:

www.nydailynews.com...
allenbwest.com...
www.thedailybeast.com...

I'm not going to continue to link stuff to you because you are to scared to search for it yourself, but those are just 3 examples of these Sharia Patrols.

The reason this "Sharia tribunal" should be fought against is to prevent areas of America from turning into areas like London where women aren't allowed to wear what they want in their own country in a public place for fear of being harassed or worse. I'm sure 10 years ago, these Sharia patrols were virtually non-existent in London, but like I said before. If we allow this tribunal to get a small foothold, it is not a stretch to believe that they will inch their way forward and in 10 years, I'm not gonna be able to walk down the street with my girlfriend after a night on the town because we might get harassed cause she chose to wear skirts or her tights.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol



The problem is their specific Religion.

You know, the Religion that wants to murder you if you leave it.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

People having stating that the Constitution would stop such an encroachment.

Yet we see the Constitution getting shredded, folded, manipulated like origami done by a hyper-active nerd on a caffeine high. And it doesn't matter what "party". They are all either cowards or duplicitous bastards.

So get used to it, it'll be here soon enough.

Our leadership can't call a terrorist a terrorist, unless it's prefaced by the word "domestic" and includes the Tea Party.

We lost the war on terror, this is just another concession that comes with being on the losing side.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FalcoFan

How is pointing out practice of religious freedom making excuses?

Do you think they have no right to practice their religion in the US?


Oh you know the story all too well, it's only religious freedom when it's the "right religion".

It's the same argument all the time though, isn't it? The same people scream "persecution" for not being permitted to persecute others.

A lot (not all, but a lot) of America Christians and Republicans seem to think that the constitution was written solely for them, no one else. Freedom of speech is something they love to use to attack others, but when others use their own freedoms to argue those points suddenly it's an "attack" on their freedoms! lol




ZOMG, painting all American Christians and Republicans with the same brush as an EXTREME MINORITY OF FOLK!

Do you see the double standard here?

For the poster above you. You are trying to equate Muslim crimes with American crimes. Throwing acid in the face of a woman is much MUCH worse than a woman being slapped around by her boyfriend. The reason are also different. American men don't slap their women around because they are showing to much skin, they slap them around because the woman poured his booze down the drain, called the cops on him because he was being a drunken idiot or simply because they are wife beaters. But America has laws that deal with men like that, and it's a two tiered system. The legal portion, and then the justice they get in prison after it comes out that they abuse women. In many Muslim areas, beating your wife is no one else's business, in America, not so much. In Islam, it is the womans fault she is raped, in America, not so much.
Islam isn't a country. A crime committed by a Muslim in America would be prosecuted, regardless of whether it was acceptable to a Sharia court or not.



Besides all of that. Not once have I claimed Muslims are coming here to abuse our women and rape our children. Right now, it is not an epidemic, but if a Sharia court is allowed to get a small foothold, and a small semblance of power, it is an extremely slippery slope. This is exactly what has happened in London. In the name of tolerance and diversity and respecting other cultures, they have allowed Muslims to push the envelope until they are past the point of no return.
Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?




At the bolded: That is the point I am trying to make. I don't know how I could have made it more clear in my original post. Of course, if an abusive situation like that was found out the legal system would attempt to prosecute, but that is IF THEY FIND OUT. Muslim immigrants who come here may not even realize they don't have to be subject to Sharia Law and live their life in fear. If this Sharia Tribunal is given a semblance of authority to the Muslim population, they might not KNOW THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM TO TURN TO. That is why, again, in my original post, I stated that as a result of this Sharia Tribunal, it needs to be made quite obvious and plain for the whole Muslim population to see that that Sharia tribunal has no real authority.

Slippery slope, I keep saying it.
Why do you care so much whether random immigrants break the law? Why is this a talking point?




At the second bolded: Show me some evidence that this happened in London and that it could possibly happen here that didn't come from a hysterical, shouting source?

I linked a video at the end of the post you actually quoted, maybe you didn't see it?
The name of the YouTube channel you have cited for "evidence" is DontBendOverForAllah. Did you see the thing I said about a hysterical source? Where's the evidence that London is turning into Islamtown outside of some isolated incidents? Show me on a map where I have to wrap my women up in a burka in London or they'll be beheaded?


At the first bolded: It's not so much about a random immigrant breaking a law, I'm honestly notsure where you got that from. That point deals with how immigrant muslims might become victims of sharia law when they might not know they don't have to subject themselves to it.

At the second bolded: Thankfully we are not yet at the point of public beheadings for breaking Sharia law, but that doesn't mean their aren't harassment's and attacks, since you don't want to check for yourself:

www.nydailynews.com...
allenbwest.com...
www.thedailybeast.com...
The Daily Beast is rubbish. The man in the AllenBWest article is clearly a psycho, regardless of his leanings. And I don't know what kind of reputation the NYDailyNews site has. I discuss your sources, because the incendiary spin the media puts on these issues is critical in stirring pointless outrage in the gullible.

But again, take away the fact that these "patrols" are Muslim, and what do you have? Criminals. They are criminals, and the law is dealing with them. What makes you think the good people of England will just stand around and allow medieval practices to become the law of the land, or the people of the US for that matter? Again, the religion is irrelevant. They are criminals.



I'm not going to continue to link stuff to you because you are to scared to search for it yourself, but those are just 3 examples of these Sharia Patrols.

The reason this "Sharia tribunal" should be fought against is to prevent areas of America from turning into areas like London where women aren't allowed to wear what they want in their own country in a public place for fear of being harassed or worse. I'm sure 10 years ago, these Sharia patrols were virtually non-existent in London, but like I said before. If we allow this tribunal to get a small foothold, it is not a stretch to believe that they will inch their way forward and in 10 years, I'm not gonna be able to walk down the street with my girlfriend after a night on the town because we might get harassed cause she chose to wear skirts or her tights.
Man, Muslims sure are scary. We keep coming back to fear of hypotheticals, fear of things that haven't happened and won't happen. Why are we talking about a thing that is not even close to happening? Crime is being dealt with.

You're going to come back with something about "you can't dismiss Islam as the root cause of this." Of course you can, or else every Muslim would be behaving like this.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: chuck258

People having stating that the Constitution would stop such an encroachment.

Yet we see the Constitution getting shredded, folded, manipulated like origami done by a hyper-active nerd on a caffeine high. And it doesn't matter what "party". They are all either cowards or duplicitous bastards.

So get used to it, it'll be here soon enough.

Our leadership can't call a terrorist a terrorist, unless it's prefaced by the word "domestic" and includes the Tea Party.

We lost the war on terror, this is just another concession that comes with being on the losing side.


Hmmm, where to start ...

Quoting President Obama directly:



Our objective is clear: we will degrade, and ultimately destroy, Isil through a comprehensive and sustained counter-terrorism strategy."




I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against Isil in Syria, as well as Iraq. This is a core principle of my presidency: if you threaten America, you will find no safe haven.




Isil is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.


Source

Three quotes of the word "terrorism or terrorist" one speech, 2 seconds to search.

Pointless exaggerations, as are the bits about the Constitution as well as the Tea Party.

Why misrepresent the truth?

(Or provide direct examples of the "our leadership" destroying the Constitution or of our "leadership" calling the Tea Party terrorists.)

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posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:19 AM
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Obama also said he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making less than 250,000 a year.

He also said, "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it."

Feel free to focus on what he says, I'll just focus on what he does.



posted on Feb, 17 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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As or examples of Constitution "manipulation"?

Free speech zones.
Negating the 2nd Amendment.

Just off the top of my head.



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