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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Just giving a comparison point. If Mexican drug cartels are much closer and more violent yet can be safely ignored, I think a threat half way around the world that is less violent can be safely ignored too.




posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
It must just be the worst thing, going around every day completely terrified of billions of normal people who call their god by a different name.


We are terrified by people who:
think it is acceptable to kill women because they "dishonor" their family
think it is acceptable to kill people who don't worship the same God they do

Ah, interesting. First, thanks for admitting you're terrified. That's the first step to getting over your fears.

Second, do you support the US's military involvement in the Middle East? Why do you think the US is over there?


Yes we are terrified by people who think these things are acceptable?
Any sane person would be terrified by people who think these things are acceptable and it is codified in their religion.

So are you also terrified of tribal cannibals from Indonesia? Their belief system is one that allows eating other people, and goodness knows what else. What about Sikh men, who are required to carry swords with them at all times? Are those frightening?

My point is, A. why are you scared of something that is not happening where you live, and over which you have no control, and B. why Muslims specifically?


Of course I am terrified of them, I wouldn't go anywhere near the cannibals and would not want my President to pretend their cannibalism is cultural and not call it the evil it is.

There is no evidence that terrorism won't be on US soil
it has already reached US soil
and will continue on US soil
especially if US troops get involved
until
and
unless
enlightened and modernized Muslims themselves
stand up and fight and say enough is enough
stop destroying our lives and reputations
through your barbaric behavior
in the name of our religion.
And there is worldwide Muslim condemnation of
the passages in Muslim writings that support and condone this behavior.




This post is like poetry. It is beautiful, and it is all we ask for. Sure, 9/10'ths of Muslims are not radicals, but if they are not actively doing anything to fight against the violent 1/10th, they cannot expect to have a say in how the rest of the world defends itself. To protest and privately condemn is simply not enough.


You sure it's 1 10th of all muslims? If so that's a huge number.

Even if it's only 1 10th what is 1 10th of 2600 million?

That's 250 million people.

If there is 250 million radicals on this planet then we may have a problem. Do you think your numbers are a bit off? Or do we have a religious state of individuals unbound by borders almost the population of the US running around the globe establishing a caliphate? if that's true then we got 250 million people to get rid of.

I don't even think Hitler could of achived such a wet dream IMO.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Why won't you acknowledge that it is Muslims themselves
albeit Middle East Muslims

who have given cause to the world to be afraid of Muslims

why is your anger not directed at them?

I fail to see your logic.

Got to run, just think about and ponder why you are more angry at non-Muslims
then the very Muslims
who defile Allah and Muhammad
with their barbaric and evil actions
that give cause to non-muslims to fear



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
Let's perform an experiment as an entire forum. For the next month (or better still, the rest of your life), when you're watching the news, and a news story makes you angry, or scared, or upset, stop listening for a moment and think: why did I just get angry? How did a news reporter invoke an emotional response in me? Is there a reason why they'd like me to be angry? Because honestly, news should be a passive thing; they convey information to you, and then you internalize it and emotionally digest it according to your own internal morals. Was it your own internal process that triggered the emotion, or was it the presentation?

When the news is trying to make you have an emotional response, they are playing with psychology. They are purposely triggering reactions within you so that the news will hit you from the angle they desire. That isn't news, it's propaganda. So for the next month (lifetime) do a double take every time you get angry at a news report, and figure out what's really happening there.



I make no attempt to hide that I am Conservative, but I do cross check. I know foxnews is right wing and msnbc/cnn are left wing, when I see a story on either, I do my own independent research. I also come to ATS for a lot of my news because there are many events that I can find here that aren't on either.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
Why won't you acknowledge that it is Muslims themselves
albeit Middle East Muslims

who have given cause to the world to be afraid of Muslims

why is your anger not directed at them?
What exactly do you think they are going to do? Give me an example of a battleplan that ends in a scenario that causes me to be afraid for my life?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

So should we nuke 1 third of the world population.

You know. Wipe out 2 billion people so that the gorgia guidestones can bring the NWO reality closer? 500 Million humans and strong.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Why won't you acknowledge that it is Muslims themselves
albeit Middle East Muslims

who have given cause to the world to be afraid of Muslims

why is your anger not directed at them?
What exactly do you think they are going to do? Give me an example of a battleplan that ends in a scenario that causes me to be afraid for my life?


I've asked this very same question to many of the anti-Muslim people and have yet to get a credible answer. It's always more rhetoric, fear, and sometimes even anger and insults.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
It must just be the worst thing, going around every day completely terrified of billions of normal people who call their god by a different name.


We are terrified by people who:
think it is acceptable to kill women because they "dishonor" their family
think it is acceptable to kill people who don't worship the same God they do

Ah, interesting. First, thanks for admitting you're terrified. That's the first step to getting over your fears.

Second, do you support the US's military involvement in the Middle East? Why do you think the US is over there?


Yes we are terrified by people who think these things are acceptable?
Any sane person would be terrified by people who think these things are acceptable and it is codified in their religion.

So are you also terrified of tribal cannibals from Indonesia? Their belief system is one that allows eating other people, and goodness knows what else. What about Sikh men, who are required to carry swords with them at all times? Are those frightening?

My point is, A. why are you scared of something that is not happening where you live, and over which you have no control, and B. why Muslims specifically?


Of course I am terrified of them, I wouldn't go anywhere near the cannibals and would not want my President to pretend their cannibalism is cultural and not call it the evil it is.

There is no evidence that terrorism won't be on US soil
it has already reached US soil
and will continue on US soil
especially if US troops get involved
until
and
unless
enlightened and modernized Muslims themselves
stand up and fight and say enough is enough
stop destroying our lives and reputations
through your barbaric behavior
in the name of our religion.
And there is worldwide Muslim condemnation of
the passages in Muslim writings that support and condone this behavior.




This post is like poetry. It is beautiful, and it is all we ask for. Sure, 9/10'ths of Muslims are not radicals, but if they are not actively doing anything to fight against the violent 1/10th, they cannot expect to have a say in how the rest of the world defends itself. To protest and privately condemn is simply not enough.


You sure it's 1 10th of all muslims? If so that's a huge number.

Even if it's only 1 10th what is 1 10th of 2600 million?

That's 250 million people.

If there is 250 million radicals on this planet then we may have a problem. Do you think your numbers are a bit off? Or do we have a religious state of individuals unbound by borders almost the population of the US running around the globe establishing a caliphate? if that's true then we got 250 million people to get rid of.

I don't even think Hitler could of achived such a wet dream IMO.



Last I checked, there were closer to 1.6 billion Muslims, not 2.6. Besides that fact, your numbers only reinforce my point. if 1/10th of 1/10th of Muslims are violent, then it should be EVEN EASIER FOR the 9/10ths of 9/10ths of moderates to silence and stop the violent ones.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

Why is that? How do you tell the difference between a radical and a moderate? Do you think that Muslims would somehow be better at telling the difference or something?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

I'm sure all of you Christians wondering why Muslims aren't doing more to stop their co-religionist's violent acts are either on your way to or temporarily back from the Central African Republic?

Or, if not, I'm sure you're currently hunting down groups here in the US like Army of God and all the various factions of the Christian Identity movement? I mean, I'll admit, these guys are amateurs compared with the folks in the CAR, but still they're racking up impressive numbers ... eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, 181 arsons, and thousands of incidences of other criminal activities. (Source)

I mean, why aren't you practicing what you're preaching? You all do practice what you preach, right?

10 of the Worst Terrorist Attacks by Extreme Christians

The Christian Terrorist Movement No One Wants to Talk About

There you go. There's a starting point. After all, didn't Jesus say to get the stick out of your own eye before you go after the dust-mote in your brother's?

What am I thinking ... who listens to Jesus, anymore? Pffft.




posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

They still make up 30% of the population and i checked on google, last i checked it said 2.6 billion so maybe someone changed it lol.

Eitherway.




Islam is the world's second largest religion. According to a 2010 study and released January 2011, Islam has 1.57 billion adherents, making up over 23% of the world population. According to the Pew Research Center in 2010 there were 49 Muslim-majority countries.


That's not counting all the Muslims who are born in the mountains and are unrecorded ect.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

It's not 1/10. More like 1/16,000 or 0.0000076 ... something along those lines.

Of course, that's using official figures, which aren't nearly as much fun as making stuff up.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Why won't you acknowledge that it is Muslims themselves
albeit Middle East Muslims

who have given cause to the world to be afraid of Muslims

why is your anger not directed at them?
What exactly do you think they are going to do? Give me an example of a battleplan that ends in a scenario that causes me to be afraid for my life?


I've asked this very same question to many of the anti-Muslim people and have yet to get a credible answer. It's always more rhetoric, fear, and sometimes even anger and insults.
The entire population of the Middle East could climb into boats right now intent on overthrowing the states, and they'd be at the bottom of the sea before they saw the shore. But the number of people that would actually even consider that is laughable. I think the last time I heard a number, our intel claims ISIS is 30,000 strong, and they themselves claim 200,000. That's the population of a rural town in either case.

Chew on this thought: I'm betting there are more people in the US that would like to see the ME in ruin, than vice versa.
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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Of course, that's using official figures, which aren't nearly as much fun as making stuff up.

Like the 2.6 billion number.

And no gryph facts are fine, they just need to be from the right source, like blogs and biased sites with an obvious agenda.
Gosh don't you know anything.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Well, I am socially liberal, so I guess socially I'm a pro-Muslim apologist, but fiscally, I guess I'm ... anti-Muslim apologies?

How does that work exactly ... what if I'm or say 30% liberal 30% conservative and 40% fresh out of giving a flip.

What does that make me??? How should I be pigeon-holed?

/identitycrisis (not)
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sremmos80

Well, I am socially liberal, so I guess socially I'm a pro-Muslim apologist, but fiscally, I guess I'm ... anti-Muslim apologies?

How does that work exactly ... what if I'm or say 30% liberal 30% conservative and 40% fresh out of giving a flip.

What does that make me??? How should I be pigeon-holed?

/identitycrisis (not)
It makes you clever enough not to have sold yourself short to a false dichotomy.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Careful, guilt by association runs rampant around here.

Besides, don't you know that logical fallacies are just one of those liberal/socialist/atheist/intellectually-elitist made up words?

Nothin' about that kind of thing in the Bible.

I'm just surprised at the silence in here about the Christian terrorists in Africa, India, and even the US.

I'd hate to think there's a double standard at work here.
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:11 PM
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Not that worried about it. I'm pretty strong willed. If Shariah law ever happens to threaten my way of life or impacts my, my business, or my families life, I will fight back pretty hard and I will win. I'm an American and that's what we do. No worries.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
Not that worried about it. I'm pretty strong willed. If Shariah law ever happens to threaten my way of life or impacts my, my business, or my families life, I will fight back pretty hard and I will win. I'm an American and that's what we do. No worries.
This poster, I picture as a cowboy with a big ol' rifle and a Stetson and a self-rolled cigarette. All these panicking doomsayers, I picture as George Costanza.

Do you really want to be George Costanza, panicking righties?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: amazing
Not that worried about it. I'm pretty strong willed. If Shariah law ever happens to threaten my way of life or impacts my, my business, or my families life, I will fight back pretty hard and I will win. I'm an American and that's what we do. No worries.
This poster, I picture as a cowboy with a big ol' rifle and a Stetson and a self-rolled cigarette. All these panicking doomsayers, I picture as George Costanza.

Do you really want to be George Costanza, panicking righties?


Ha! No guns or cowboys hats...just fists of fury, my friend! I'm way more worried about the NSA and all those fools taking away my rights than some immigrants. We can handle the unruly immigrants.



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