originally posted by: Bybyots
The human body can't survive out there and we are nowhere near figuring out the problems we need to solve to get off this rock.
See my above comment, that's the LEAST of their problems.
There is NO WAY this trip going to happen under this format or business plan. Has anyone read how Bas Lansdorp plans to pay for the projects estimated
$6 Billion cost? Sure he will be able to pay HIS salary and living expenses DURING the whole process of creating this sham, but that doesn't mean
anyone is actually leaving for Mars at the end of the day. They will NEVER have enough money to do this, even if the project design and plans are
sound (which they won't be).
On top of all that, I think there are some pretty serious issues here that can't be solved by a private corporation seeking "profits" through
advertisement fees generated by a "reality TV" business model, discounting the obvious unknown issues like radiation, water supply, breathable air,
psychotic episodes, etc. The type of crew THEY NEED is not going to volunteer and/or will not be chosen by the Facebook voting process. So then we
have to ask, who is left to go? How long and how competently will they "be trained" under a "for profit" business model? Will they receive sufficient
spare parts and resupply over the long haul of the project? Who is on their "earth ground support team" and is going to CONSTANTLY, 24/7, work out
technical and engineering problems with mock ups, etc, like they did with Apollo, the Space Shuttle and the current Space Station? Do you believe the
private corporations sponsoring this trip will pay this highly technical staff on Earth, salaries, for YEARS, if the mission is somehow successful
keeping those 4 people alive for longer than a few months?
I personally think, if push came to shove, the Corporate suits would pull the plug on the these people the minute they started losing money and then
we would hear the fabricated "sad news" of their "accidental" demise. Also since they are in space, is it legal for the company to maroon then with no
support due to dwindling finances? Would anyone go to jail on earth for their abandonment, manslaughter/murder, due to lack of support/resupply?
I'd certainly bet the viewing public would never see them die on the live TV feed, showing EXACTLY how the mission failed due to suicide, accidental
death, murder, disease, equipment failure, etc. It the kind of thing that would get "leaked" years later, long after the company leading all this has
folded, filed for bankruptcy and sold off patents/IP to the highest bidder.
originally posted by: smurfy
"No new technology developments are required to establish a human settlement on Mars. Mars One has visited major aerospace companies around the world
to discuss the requirements, budget and timelines with their engineers and business developers."
Here are some numbers for you to ponder:
-The space shuttle cost $1.5 billion per flight, including government bloat, etc.
-American Idol at its peak brought in $6.5 million per episode, with 40+ episodes per season.
-To make the film Avatar, productions costs were $425 million, just to GROSS $2 billion in revenue.
-The Red Bull Stratos Jump, DONE ONE TIME, WITH ONE GUY, cost between $10-30 million to train for & complete, advertise, pay salaries, etc, to then
show on youtube.
The Red Bull Stratos Jump project, started in 2005 and was concluded in 2012. Basically it took 7 years and $10 to $30 million to recreate and adapt,
a TESTED and PROVEN, 1970's era military technology, for ONE GUY. So, what do you think a private sector Apollo mission would cost today, trying to
recreate and adapt from proven 1960's era technology?
To put things into perspective, if my above numbers are correct, it would take American Idol 333 episodes to bring in just the $2 billion gross
revenue that the Avatar film brought in. Remember the space shuttle cost $1 billion dollars "per mission", whether you agree or not, that's a not a
bad starting point for estimating the cost of getting something off earth and into space. This project needs an estimated $6 billion.
To clarify further, the Mars reality show would need to be more popular than American Idol had been, at its peak, to draw in more then $6.5 million
per episode. To date, no reality TV show has brought in more gross revenue than the film Avatar did, at $2 billion. Also will anyone give this
company $425 million dollars up front for an untested TV entertainment concept/production AND space mission? Sure James Cameron can get $425 million
to make a movie, but who is going to give these guys this much up front? We all know it takes money to make money on the "high tech" side of show
business. So with that >$6.5 million per episode and >$2 billion gross and >$425 million seed money from backers/producers/studios to start EVERYTHING
with. How much is then left to: train the crew, train/hire their LONG TERM support staff, pay for advertising, pay TV executive bonuses, pay TV
crews/production staff, space equipment R&D, ship design, space agency permits, legal fees, etc, etc, etc? There is NO WAY this Mars Reality TV show,
is going to generate enough Ad money to send these guys into space, under reliable conditions.
Even if they did, somehow, at some point get them into space, the equipment would be sub-par/bar-minimum, due to budget constraints due to the
REQUIREMENT to make "profit" from the endeavor. Remember this is not a publicity stunt to be "written off", like the Red Bull Stratos Jump or a sports
team sponsorship. They are, in fact, trying to make money the way the Kardashians and American Idol make money. That means, rock bottom, low
production costs and sky high cost to advertisers buying airtime, in exchange for maximum viewer numbers.
I don't see any Jeff Bezos types "volunteering" a billion dollars seed money for this project either. I would be more likely to believe in the
project if they were the case.
Last, "volunteers" are in "space", are not bound by earth law, regulations, etc. Is it legal for the company to maroon them with no support, due to
dwindling finances? Would anyone go to jail on earth for their abandonment, manslaughter/murder, of the Civilian Astronauts, due to lack of
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