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Originally posted by Jedi_Master
I don't think this guy is a part of the "resistance"
People of the world! These words come to you from those who up to the day of the invasion were fighting the regimes of the infidels whilst residing in nations such as Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Afghanistan. We are simple people who chose principles of Jihad and acts of terror over fear for our own lives. We have not suffered crimes nor sanctions, but we welcome the chance to fight the infidels. Years and years of agony and despair, while the condemned Saddam Hussein traded with our oil revenues in the name of his own greed. Over two million innocents died waiting for a light at the end of a tunnel that only ended with the capture of Saddam. After the crimes of the administration of Saddam and the Baathists in Iraq , we have chosen our future. The future of every resistance struggle ever in the history of man. The right to impose our own warlords, and to become rich from the Iraqi citizens, as Saddam once did.
It is our duty, as well as our right, to fight back the occupying forces, which their nations will be held morally and economically responsible; for what their elected governments have destroyed and stolen from this land, before we could steal it for ourselves.
We have not crossed the oceans and seas to occupy Britain or the U.S. nor are we responsible for 9/11. While we did cheer them on in their plight, and continue to despise the West, we have not yet been successful in those endeavors. These are only a few of the many goals which have not been able to accomplish. It is Ironic that the Iraqi's are to bear the full face of this large and growing conflict on behalf of the rest of this sleeping world, as we feel we must do everything in our power to prevent the rebuilding of Iraq, and the establishment of sovereignty, before we can take it for ourselves.
Originally posted by marg6043
US as a nation is not the evil of the world, but its policy makers and administration is, and remember anything they do they do it with the power and in the name of the people of this country.
Originally posted by Johannmon
This statement is ludicrous in light of the history of US foreign policy.
They are terrorists, whether or not some of them in particular were responsible for 911 is irrelevant.[edit, didn't mean for it to be in bold, just noticed the error]
Do you think margaret hassan would've agreed with it
Lets not be naive. The insurgents aren't fighting to get rid of the US and install, what, an iraqi democracy? They have a democracy. Yes, the current council was selected by the US, but they seem to have some popular support, and it doesn't really matter anyway since they are going to have popular elections for a council that will draft a constitution and government for their people to look at and ratify. What 'other' plan does the resistance have? And if the concern is secret corporate influence on them, then what would armed resistance help? If they are tangled up with the US British and other armies, how are they going to stop the 'monied powers'?
Your thoughts and hopes are with a group of people that are kidnapping women and civilians and butchering them on tv, and all for what exactly? What does anyone think will happen in Iraq if the Coalition leaves? Peace? Hasn't anyone noticed that the insurgents have been attacking kurdish cities and shi'ite mosques recently? Does anyone actually think that this will stop if the US leave? Darfur will look like a humanitarian relocation program to the terror and chaos that will be in iraq. Without a general dislike for the 'capitalists' the insurgents will start shredding each other apart, and then whats everyone going to want? Intervention? Peacekeeping? Or are the same people who's 'hopes' are with these vicious butchers going to be content to let arab kill arab and kurd?
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Of course its[complicity in 911) relevant; how is it not? These people are asking to fight the onslaught of western capitalism
not to wage an all out war for rancor reasons.
Do you think margaret hassan would've agreed with it
Do you see these people claiming to be the ones responsible for her death?
Do you think 100,000 dead Iraqis would have agreed with Bushs statement that Saddam had WMD's and was a threat to the U.S?
Do you think they would have agreed with them while they ebetted him for decades and kept hush about the attrocoties he commited against his own people and others?
Tell me, what did armed agression against them help the Iraqi people to begin with?
These peoples fates were written when the U.S. decided not to intervene when Saddam was far more dangerous than he was now : while he was under thier wing.
This is not a democracy, this is a government who has already seeped free-market enterprise, and written the Iraqi constitution to help further insure that Iraqis have little say in their government.
The Americans are the very ones who have in recent decades sufficed "security" over "personal" liberties;
the Americans own democracy is highly suspect
When these people do not see any other way to resolve this situation, what would you ask of them?
What other countries will listen to the plight of these people and intervene in this illegal war?
These people have not claimed anything you suggested above.
Tell me, why are these people 'butchering' innocents? They must have been cuasualy nessicitated, correct? Tell me if the invasion into thier country had anything to do with it.
These people want self-determination, something, we, here in the west, laud above all other things.
Democracy is not the greatest means to this goal, not if mankind keeps engaging in wars, allows famine to traverse the globe, and utterly commite acts of genocide against our fellow mankind.
You want to help these people in Iraq? Tell America to find an alternative energy source...