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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: artistpoet
Your beliefs are similar to mine. You would be fine.
originally posted by: phinubian
a reply to: artistpoet
One word of caution, Sufism today is somehow associated with Islam, however, one must delve into the truth, that sufism itself had it a much earlier genesis possibly predating Egypt, sufism has no religion, the spiritual component is a compliment to any religious or self improvement schema, meditation and yoga might also be associated with it as well.
Rudolf von Sebottendorff wrote a book on the subject, however, it was not a huge work, but you can use it to springboard into other areas of research.
originally posted by: Saurus
originally posted by: artistpoet
Would such a person be acceptable to Masonry ... not that I am petitioning to join
The test is a direct yes or no question - you must answer yes or no:
"Do you believe in a Supreme Being?"
If yes, you are eligible to join. If no, not. If in-between, you must select either yes or no.
originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: artistpoet
Here is the truth of the matter ... We ARE part of something much bigger and many people have come to realise this.
I know that. but why the secrecy?
As for secret society's ... There is a reason why some things are withheld
I myself was part of a Secret College ... In that we kept outsiders away who wanted to disrupt our work
Outsiders? This is what I'm talking about. why the need for outsiders? so insiders can feel "special" and a part of something sacred that others are not.
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originally posted by: Saurus
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
It is relevantly easy to reach 32 degree. Beyond that to 33rd degree requires a political connection from what I see.It is at this level you find out what god you are worshipping...... which is Lucifer. My main reason for not wanting to join the ranks of the mason.
Telling a panentheist like myself that I am going to Hell and worshiping Lucifer is a bit like me telling a Christian he is going to Mordor and worshiping Sauron.
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
originally posted by: Abednego
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Saurus
My grandfather was one and I have been given a few chances to join but politely refused. Not sure which degree you are at. It is relevantly easy to reach 32 degree. Beyond that to 33rd degree requires a political connection from what I see.It is at this level you find out what god you are worshipping...... which is Lucifer. My main reason for not wanting to join the ranks of the mason.
How do you know that at 33rd degree they worship Satan?
I know a few 33rd degree masons, and they are far from been politicians.
There are numerous Masons who have revealed the god they worship is Lucifer. This is well known. It is no longer secret. This was one the secrets of Mason worship. For some reason once you reach 33rd degree you qualify to actually meet Lucifer. Much knowledge and wisdom is shared to the 33rd degree brother. Enlightenment starts with the 33rd degree and many brothers fail to reach this level.
I do not mean that every 33rd degree is a politican but in order to reach the 33rd degree it takes more than most that serve.
originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: Saurus
Thank you for posting this ... As a non Mason I will be intrigued to follow the responses
originally posted by: artistpoet
I found a link for you but I would not take it seriously as he is being badgered and the words are put into his mouth
Freemason Shriner says Lucifer is god
Sorry I can not inbed
www.youtube.com...
originally posted by: Wifibrains
I don't see masons building freedom do you?
This is Albert Pikes' 861 page volume of 'lectures' on the esoteric roots of Freemasonry, specifically the 32-degree Scottish Rite. Until 1964, this book was given to every Mason completing the 14th degree in the Southern jurisdiction of the US Scottish Rite Freemasons. Masonic lectures are standard oral presentations given during initiation to a new degree. Lectures provide background material for initiates and the discuss duties of the degree in general terms. They do not present details of the rituals, gestures, regalia, etc., for which one must consult other books on Masonry.
How do we know this person was a freemason? Is this person now a fundamentalist Christian? They think Satan is behind every tree and hiding in the air ducts.
This figure is complicated, but to a philosopher, wondrous to behold. In the center of the inner circle is the sun with 7 rays of warmth. Above is the crown of celestial SAL-NITRE of the physical world and the Nature-Spirit. The figure represents: (1) Chaos or universal subjective nature as the purest birth of this Nature-spirit in the center of the Earth, (2) Sulphur saturated with astral Mercury, (3) the White Gold of the wise, (4) the many layers of the Earth, and (5) Travisan's Fountain. The outer circle represents the Zodiac where the 7 planets forever course through the ether. The planets concentrate their influx of energy into the world below, inducing the law: as above so below, and as below so above.
originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: Tangerine
How do we know this person was a freemason? Is this person now a fundamentalist Christian? They think Satan is behind every tree and hiding in the air ducts.
You would have to ask a Mason if he recognised the regalia he was carrying
Yes I agree with you about fundamentalism
But I am wondering ... Is Lucifer the same imaginary being as Satan ...
ADD ... I see KSigMason has just answered this
originally posted by: artistpoet
He said to me 33 degrees is the perfect cutting angle for a blade /chisel
I can see the metaphor In this regarding Masonry ... Shaping stone / building
Is there any "Mileage in this assumption"