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South Africa’s untold truths about Post-Apartheid.

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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: Tusks
South Africa will get worse and worse. The older Blacks who remember how much better it was with the Whites in control (excepting the 1% -2% now milking all the taxes and feeding off the remains of what had been built) are in the process of dying off.


Oh them Blacks sure messed up when they stopped being slaves hey!!! Hold your breath waiting for them to realize that mistake, ok? Please?




posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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I posted this on one of your other threads, but meant for it to be on this one:


"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan

Whites were settling South Africa long before the Xhosa, Zulu, Bantu, Shona, etc. came down from the north. The few folks who were present before the whites arrived were the Bushmen/Khoisan---and they're still there, and still preferring to live in small groups in the wilderness/desert.

Allowing primitive tribesmen who, on their own, had never produced a written language, or a working sewer system, or an ocean going ship (we're talking Sub-Saharan Black peoples--not North Africa), or a 3 story building, or even designed a wheel---to take over a 400 year old first class civilization built by others was criminal. Without continuous aid from non-Black countries, the deterioration will continue to proceed, and really appears inevitable.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: IndependentOpinion




The farms was a great income for SA, but now the farms are given to black people that has no knowledge of farming. 30 years down the line and they are still blaiming Apartheid for all of this.


I don't doubt for one second that the "Blacks" had no knowledge of how to farm. How could they know when they were never taught how?

How are your diamond mines doing? Same thing I suppose ......send down the "Blacks" into the hole but never ever teach them how actually mine the ground.

I see no difference between South Africa and North America but we started real early by treating the Natives like crap and robbed them of their heritage as well.

Regards, Iwinder



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: Tusks
"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan


Your hero Reagan, who shielded Apartheid with his Veto and got over-ruled by Congress, actually regretted using his Veto in that situation by the way.

www.nydailynews.com...

You might want to update the hero status you give to Reagan...



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: Tusks


Allowing primitive tribesmen who, on their own, had never produced a written language, or a working sewer system, or an ocean going ship (we're talking Sub-Saharan Black peoples--not North Africa), or a 3 story building, or even designed a wheel---to take over a 400 year old first class civilization built by others was criminal.


So the city of Great Zimbabwe doesn't rate a mention? That's a Sub-Saharan civilisation. Other information about Sub-Saharan Africa



originally posted by: Tusks
-to take over a 400 year old first class civilization built by others was criminal.


If you call a civilisation founded on the principles of racial intolerance, discrimination and religious intolerance first class, then that really says it all. Do you even wonder why South Africa was treated as a pariah state during the apartheid era?


originally posted by: TusksWithout continuous aid from non-Black countries, the deterioration will continue to proceed, and really appears inevitable.


With greedy White mine owners raping the land of its mineral wealth, the deterioration will continue to proceed...
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 06:54 PM
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Disgusting thread..premise is that a country run by white Christians was awesome...and black people should never have been given freedom



Mods on vacation?



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

Sometimes I think being able to see who starred a post would be nice...



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: noeltrotsky

Exactly.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 07:24 PM
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Frankly we have a plethora of white SA doctors where I live .....they seem to have arrived after the black revolution was successful.
I imagine there were a whole lot of the white educated class that voted with their feet.....
Meanwhile I doubt the remaining white people were very co operative with the new government either.....
transition was screwed deliberately and by circumstance......
The now third world country you live in will remain so for some time to come....
Id be willing to bet outfits like the IMF and such find it convenient to their profits......



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

DeBeers Diamonds was founded by Cecil Rhodes (Rhodes bargained for the lands and mines with the Matebele chief) with a little financial help from the Rothschilds. Later under the control of the Oppenheimers. Don't get much higher on the food chain in TPTB than that.

I've got a feeling that many of the posters on this thread have no idea about Rhodes, Om Paul, the Boers, Shaka, Mzillakazi, or of the importance of Rhodesia and it's utter failure as Zimbabwe--or pretty much anything else. The Socialist/egalitarian indoctrination they have received is all they know.
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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Ow this is just one example out of many doing much worse after colonial powers have left it.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:13 PM
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I don't think it was allowed to do better....cant have that can we?
Whitemans burden and all say what.....



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: IndependentOpinion

Anyone with a 2 braincells bouncing around understands why South Africa will become a gutter in the next 10 years. Under the previous rule South Africa was the jewel of Africa.




What a waste.......Really it is.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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I am a white South African-and I have to say,OP-WAY TO GO finding any merit in the fact that our army Ever had any type of association with Hitler! Idk in what type of household you were raised but all white SAfricans that I remember from earliest childhood would disown any relative who went to fight in Hitler's army-we all,from childhood,were taught what a monster he was and because # Hitler.Yes we had the best army on the continent and possibly one of the best armies in the entire world,for many years-especially during the Border War-especially when we had to fight off the Russians and Cubans who for so many years tried to take our country-especially during battles like Cuito Cuanavale-moments to Really be proud of! But you chose to bring a connection to Hitler and his Reich into this! I have to wonder why that is..you cannnot Possibly be so stupid as to think That would gain an ounce of sympathy,respect or Anything positive???????? Because if you really were That stupid it amazes me that you even know how to switch on a pc-so yes that statement makes me wonder..

Moving on:@Dollukka-yes black education should have been at exactly the same standard and ratio of teachers to pupils.Here is again where all governments are basically the same-the ones in power never thinks for further than their noses are long-because they are the ones who Always have the funds to hop on a plane if the consequences of their actions /lack of actions become too untenable.

About education in general,now that Apartheid is long dead,the newer curriculums are largely to blame-just not as good as the older ones,back when I was at school,decades ago.Fact.Most people who were at school back then,will tell you that the newer curriculums the education department has adopted,does not further plain commonsense general knowledge halfway as much as the ones back in the day did-nothing to do with Apartheid,black or white here-just a case of not sticking with what worked then-and would have worked now.New is not always better.

Here is another reason why SA youth of All races are not in general as respectful,hardworking or decent as they could be-and I believe this is a worldwide phenomenon-and my opinion,to which I am entitled,but an opinion based on living and looking around me for 50 years-spare the rod and spoil the child..PC correctness has a lot to answer for,and most especially the criminalisation of spanking a child who will not stop behaving badly.

Child abuse and a spanking when heartily deserved can never even come close to being compared-the one is done is out of lovelessness and non-caring,the latter out of love and concern,and wanting your child not to grow up being an arrogant,spoilt jerk with no concept of proper social conduct,that few people would want as a friend or life partner.The responsiblity for the latter Rests with The Parents-it should never even have to extend to school areas-but I do recall that in my days at school there were jerks that could or would not let a week pass without causing a disruption,and they were dealt with,and we had well-funtioning school hours as a result,and safe environments at school.Whether that same discipline were upheld at balck schools I won't know,but I Do know that it is not allowed to smack unruly,disrespectful jerks who are intent on disrupting learning for everybody,anymore-at Any school.Not just here,but in the USA and worldwide-and I believe the correlation can be witnessed between how people behaved in society as a whole,how people treated each other-except by the blindly pc correct crowd,who are determined to see no common sense.

Someone asked why the standards of hospitals going down the toilet,were tied to the end of Apartheid? Well that would be because state hospitals have for many years now,been grievously underfunded,morale among nurses are very low and there is a shortage of everything.Because the ANC government,as correctly accused by the EFF,are the biggest bunch of thieves and misappropriaters of the taxpayer's money you could possibly imagine.

I doubt very much I will even reply to a thread dealing with the state of SA again-it's just too depressing,and also because I have lost the feeling for being on the net,in general-nothing anyone seems to say about anything will make the slightest bit of difference,if humanity will not realise who their true enemies are.

But I shall end with this-my beautiful,wonderful country,South Africa,which I love dearly,and all with all my heart,and all the "regular folks" within her borders,have for decades upon decades been the victim of corrupt and evil politicians and 2 governments whom both did /still do not have the best interests of the population at heart.

Under the Apartheid government,which was governing in an unrealistic and immoral way-yes everything worked better-but how could such a wrong system hope to continue,even if everything Was working at first world standards? What were they thinking???

And now that we have majority rule,under the ANC,through corruption,theft,greed,an inability/unwillingness to step up to the plate +own their own mistakes,plus a completely unrealistic+feverish rush to get rid of well experienced white employees,who should and would have properly trained people of other races,mostly black people in this case,properly to do the job and maintain the infrastructures -through rampant theft and blaming the previous government,in this case the Apartheid government-Still the country and the "regular people" are the victims.And evermore shall be.

And at the top,smiling and benefiting are as always,the politicians,the presidents,the rulers.Who do not care that they run a country and it's population into the ground.In every case,then and now-the ones with the funds can jump on a plane and escape-while we regular folks have to deal with the mess that type Always leave in their wake.
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 12:15 AM
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originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: Tusks
South Africa will get worse and worse. The older Blacks who remember how much better it was with the Whites in control (excepting the 1% -2% now milking all the taxes and feeding off the remains of what had been built) are in the process of dying off.


Oh them Blacks sure messed up when they stopped being slaves hey!!! Hold your breath waiting for them to realize that mistake, ok? Please?




Maybe it is not the race but the culture that is causing this rapid decline in every single area. Proof is in the pudding and no amount political correctness can change that.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: Raxoxane

If I was you I would move the next 10 years will be bad for South Africa. It is a shame that men like Mandela gained power. What was needed was a man like Mr. King.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 12:32 AM
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a reply to: noeltrotsky

Your opinion on Apartheid does not make that the truth. The only way to know the truth is by living in this country.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: Iwinder


I don't doubt for one second that the "Blacks" had no knowledge of how to farm. How could they know when they were never taught how?


Its not that they were not taught how to use the farms, they don't want to know. If a family member lived or worked on that farm in the Apartheid years, they can claim the land for themselves. They believe that those land is rightfully theirs. It might be true, but not one of those land is then used for farming.


How are your diamond mines doing? Same thing I suppose ......send down the "Blacks" into the hole but never ever teach them how actually mine the ground.


Most of those men are highly skilled at what they do. It works the same way as almost any other working environment: the old-timers teach the new men all the needed skills to do the job well.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 12:45 AM
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I Cannot move-we just don't have the money for that-but more than that-i don't Want to move.I love my country,and there is a lot of goodwill between white and black here also+only that is not focused on so much,because sane people Should be able to get along without anyone remarking on it.

Yes there Are a lot of black people who hate whites,and thousands upon thousands of white farmers have been murdered,non-farming community citizens too,even small children,drowned in baths of boiling hot water etc.And of course,the infrastructure is heading for propable collapse sooner rather than later.

BUT WHERE DOES ONE GO????

Even if I had to somehow get the massive amount of money to get out of this country-and I don't Want to go elsewhere,I Love my country-WHERE do we go?? The whole world is pretty much buggered,except maybe Iceland,or as someone sarcastically suggested to me in another thread,perhaps I should move to Jamaica,because they assumed I was a racist -an island somewhere like Jamaica would propably be nice,I would ike that.But seriously,except for the seriously rich-who gets to Choose where you go,in the world,or if you can move to another country at all?

There are only Very few places on this rock where I would feel I'm necessarily much safer than in South Africa.Black people hateful and intent on murdering white people,are Very far from being the only danger one has to worry about.Look at the state of the world,the state of society-some places have better infrastructure,yes,and if I need to Really get the hell out of SA,I would go across the border,into Namibia,if it was possible-which is a good country,with decent infrastructure-but there are not many places in the world,where things are Not gonna be getting a lot worse in the next 10 years,you know?




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