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Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?

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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

It's funny you don't cry about annexation in threads about Israel you litter with your garbage.



This thread isn't about annexation anyways...

It's about vocal Nazis...


Not people's perception of US Nazis or Russian Nazis...

Actual self proclaimed Nazis!




posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

That probably won't happen while they're being armed and trained to kill innocent people in Lugansk!



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord




Its about those who are self proclaimed Nazis and if we support them or not.


And yet all we see is about Nazi's fighting for Ukraine, why is there no discussing those fighting for the separatists in where...Ukraine which is the topic of the thread correct.



It doesnt matter if they are on the moon, its calling a spade a spade, and a self proclaimed Nazi a Nazi.


And yet when it's pointed out that the separatists have Russian neo Nazi's fighting I get attacked...why is that when this thread as you said is about Nazi's in Ukraine?

And if they came from the moon I would call them Moon Nazi's...although the Germans beat them to that name.

Just watch the movie Iron Sky...




Doesnt mean there arent Nazis here in the US or Russia, but its about thier ideology and where you personally stand on it.


And yet the only one's you focused your OP on were those fighting with Ukraine...Right Sector and Azov Battalion, so where is there any discussion of the one's fighting with the separatists?

You see if you want to be fair with this you need to add the ones fighting with the separatists in Ukraine, and not just the ones fighting with Ukraine.

And I will give you my opinion...

I don't condone alot of what they do, but if they feel they need to help protect their country from outside military invasion then I agree all the way. Their ideology I may not agree with, but their drive to keep their country theirs is commendable since they could have went the other way and fought against the Ukraine gov't.

Try not to take this out of context like another member did.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h


I don't condone alot of what they do, but if they feel they need to help protect their country from outside military invasion then I agree all the way. Their ideology I may not agree with, but their drive to keep their country theirs is commendable since they could have went the other way and fought against the Ukraine gov't.


And so far all the have done is kill Ukrainians living in the donbass region. What outside forces have they fought against?



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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A good article by Channel 4 from the 11th of Feb. 2015

One year on: where are the far-right forces of Ukraine?


Russia called the Ukrainian revolution a "fascist junta". As the first anniversary of the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych approaches, we look at the changing fortunes of the extreme right.



Reports of fighting near the southern port of Mariupol in recent days have stressed the involvement of the Azov Battalion, a volunteer militia linked to neo-Nazi groups......But its fighters ultimately report to the Ukrainian government, and leading members have been promoted to positions in the police force by cabinet ministers.



Strangest of all, some Russian neo-Nazis have reportedly taken up arms on behalf of the Ukrainian government against pro-Russian separatists



Other young Russian rightwingers are fighting for the separatists under the banner of "Novorussia" - the name for part of Ukraine annexed by Tsarist Russia in the 18th and 19th centuries.


So its a well rounded piece, a little something for everyone!



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The title should have been neutral, if one wants to discuss nazism and not see the thread derailed into for or against.
So don't force ATS members in to that position by asking if EU and America are on the right side of this one with a title about nazi's in Ukraine.
Quite simply because nazism exists everywhere in this world and the latest example being Greece where the golden dawn enjoys enough support to enter politics.
Naturally everyone will be opposed to nazism, but we must also be aware of the fact that taking sides is a form of nazism, obviously both sides will see itself as better than the other.
Maybe we must find a better word than nazism, because it is nationality, ethnicity, organized belief, and race which is behind this narrow minded outlook.
They are branches of the tree of discrimination, to a lesser extend this is also happening within the border of every country, the classes within our societies.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: sosobad




You still have not answered do you think Ukrainians should support right sector.


Do I read your posts is that the question you want answered, because that should be obvious when I reply to them.

And do I think Ukraine should back Right Sector, that's something you would have to ask a Ukranian.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: sosobad




And so far all the have done is kill Ukrainians living in the donbass region. What outside forces have they fought against?


And were those Ukranians shooting at them...you know the separatists?

And do you still want to try and deny Russia has troops in Ukraine fighting...seriously your not going to try and say that are you?



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: sosobad




And so far all the have done is kill Ukrainians living in the donbass region. What outside forces have they fought against?


And were those Ukranians shooting at them...you know the separatists?

And do you still want to try and deny Russia has troops in Ukraine fighting...seriously your not going to try and say that are you?


You said you support them fighting outside forces, not me.

Show me a news article where the right sector are engaging Russian forces.

So far all I can see them doing is killing fellow Ukrainians and you said you support them fighting.
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Do you understand the difference between a Seperatist group that has been found to have a couple of Nazis within & a complete Battallion of Nazis?


Do you have the name of a Seperatist group who is entirely Nazi that I haven't heard about?





Secondly...
A lot of the Seperatists are Ukrainian...
That's why it's a Civil War...

You can't invade your own Country!



So why are them Ukrainians (Seperatists) wrong but the other Ukrainians (Nazis & Sympathisers) are right?

When it was the latter who started the violence against the Police that lead to people being killed during the Maidan Revolution?
When it is the latter breaking the ceasefires while the West Point fingers at the Seperatists?
When it is the latter whose whole ideology is White Supremacy?


When it is the former who have risen up to defend themselves from the latters persecution for not being Supremacists or conformists to a rogue government that shells civillians?




It's all a fraud.

I don't need Russian "State Sponsered media" to inform me of that...

The Nazis lost the battle, they won the war...
They control information that flows...

I don't need Russian "State Sponsered media" to know that history is written by the victors...

& what's been written and is being written is that Nazis don't exist except in Russia...



Pull the other one.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord


originally posted by: TinfoilTP

Putin annexed Crimea, that is the closest thing in current history to Nazi Germany of the 1930's (see Sudatenland, Chechslovakia, etc annexations by Hitler).



What if the US annexed Panama? We like the water there too and can make an argument the canal is of strategic importance both militarily and economically. The US would be called the next Nazis but Putin is getting a pass? It is obvious there is a double standard when it comes to Putin loving sheeple who do nothing but push his agenda. Putin has them in a love frenzy, just like Hitler possessed a hardcore following that lived for nothing else but to promote his agenda.




This thread isnt about Putin or the US or Kiev at all its about those who support Nazi ideology, can you post to the OP?

Its not about annexing any country or part of a country its about the Nazi ideology and agenda and where you stand on it.

Bringing up Putin and talking about a love frenzy has nothing to do with the OP of the thread and kind of comes off like your deflecting from the self proclaimed Nazi emulators, with thier insane slogans of genocide.

Where do you stand its not that hard a question is it?




All of that was obviously answered in my previous post.

Putin is the modern Nazi, proven by his actions.

Which is obviously bad, very bad.




You seriously are calling Putin a Nazi when this thread is about people claiming to be the new Nazis are doing public "Sieg Hails" and calling themselves the Nazis even have kids doing the Nazi salute, have people publicly chanting genocide, have the swastica as a symbol, and claim to want to run all the other races out of thier country.

So your not not going to look at he Nazi elephant in the room your going to deflect to Putin?
It seems you arent on topic and refuse to speak to the OP of the thread.
Its like saying Scooby Doo and Shaggy are the real Nazis when we people are talking about the acts of Hitler.
Discuss the Op, talk about if you support the self proclaimed Nazis if you do, or talk about why you dont support them, but please dont talk about nonsense like Putin is the real Nazi, or Obama is the real Nazi because they arent doing Nazi salutes and going around waving Nazi flags.


But Putin is doing the Nazi annexation of land thing. That is real, not some crackpots waving flags who don't have the power of a nation behind them to even attempt such a Nazi feat.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: FormOfTheLord


Its about those who are self proclaimed Nazis and if we support them or not.

And yet all we see is about Nazi's fighting for Ukraine, why is there no discussing those fighting for the separatists in where...Ukraine which is the topic of the thread correct.


It doesnt matter if they are on the moon, its calling a spade a spade, and a self proclaimed Nazi a Nazi.

And yet when it's pointed out that the separatists have Russian neo Nazi's fighting I get attacked...why is that when this thread as you said is about Nazi's in Ukraine?
And if they came from the moon I would call them Moon Nazi's...although the Germans beat them to that name.
Just watch the movie Iron Sky...



Doesnt mean there arent Nazis here in the US or Russia, but its about thier ideology and where you personally stand on it.

And yet the only one's you focused your OP on were those fighting with Ukraine...Right Sector and Azov Battalion, so where is there any discussion of the one's fighting with the separatists?
You see if you want to be fair with this you need to add the ones fighting with the separatists in Ukraine, and not just the ones fighting with Ukraine.
And I will give you my opinion...
I don't condone alot of what they do, but if they feel they need to help protect their country from outside military invasion then I agree all the way. Their ideology I may not agree with, but their drive to keep their country theirs is commendable since they could have went the other way and fought against the Ukraine gov't.
Try not to take this out of context like another member did.

Like I said its not about which side is which, rebel Nazis or Right Sector Nazis.
Its about the self proclaimed Nazis going around chanting genocide and the people just start chanting with them like idiots. Now you claim the rebels are Nazis too? I havent seen any physical evidence of this, I havent seen the rebels doing "Sieg Hails" sporting Nazi flags and symbols etc. That doesnt mean that there arent any Nazis on the rebels side.
But all that is besides the point, this thread is about self proclaimed Nazis and what you think of them, you say you support them, why? Because they are defending thier country.
As to thier ideology you say you disagree with some of that, I would guess that would be the Nazi part, I have to guess because you havent elaborated on a very blanket statement that you dont, "condone alot of what they do"?
Like umm lemme think. . . . . . . When stand up and say, "Sieg Hail"

They are self proclaimed Nazis and they are the ones going around proclaiming it to the world.
So what about the dudes chanting, "Sieg Hail" and doing the whole racist Nazi salute chanting that they are the master white race and Ukraine is only for them dont you condone exactly? Are you an American by any chance, your avatar has the red white and blue on it. I was under the impression that my fellow Americans are against Nazis with deep conviction because they stand for everything we are against.
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs




Do you understand the difference between a Seperatist group that has been found to have a couple of Nazis within & a complete Battallion of Nazis?


And yet I thought this thread was about Nazi's in Ukraine, as it has nothing to do with the amount of them fighting or did I miss something in the OP?



Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?


Nope.



When it was the latter who started the violence against the Police that lead to people being killed during the Maidan Revolution?


Ah yes the same police that were shooting unarmed civilians on the okay from Yanukovych as he was the one to give the final order.



When it is the former who have risen up to defend themselves from the latters persecution for not being Supremacists or conformists to a rogue government that shells civillians?


You mean shelling areas where separatists were hiding all the while launching attacks against the Ukraine gov't., or does that not matter?



& what's been written and is being written is that Nazis don't exist except in Russia...


Really by who?



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord


originally posted by: TinfoilTP


originally posted by: FormOfTheLord




originally posted by: TinfoilTP



Putin annexed Crimea, that is the closest thing in current history to Nazi Germany of the 1930's (see Sudatenland, Chechslovakia, etc annexations by Hitler).

What if the US annexed Panama? We like the water there too and can make an argument the canal is of strategic importance both militarily and economically. The US would be called the next Nazis but Putin is getting a pass? It is obvious there is a double standard when it comes to Putin loving sheeple who do nothing but push his agenda. Putin has them in a love frenzy, just like Hitler possessed a hardcore following that lived for nothing else but to promote his agenda.


This thread isnt about Putin or the US or Kiev at all its about those who support Nazi ideology, can you post to the OP?

Its not about annexing any country or part of a country its about the Nazi ideology and agenda and where you stand on it.

Bringing up Putin and talking about a love frenzy has nothing to do with the OP of the thread and kind of comes off like your deflecting from the self proclaimed Nazi emulators, with thier insane slogans of genocide.


Where do you stand its not that hard a question is it?




All of that was obviously answered in my previous post.

Putin is the modern Nazi, proven by his actions.


Which is obviously bad, very bad.






You seriously are calling Putin a Nazi when this thread is about people claiming to be the new Nazis are doing public "Sieg Hails" and calling themselves the Nazis even have kids doing the Nazi salute, have people publicly chanting genocide, have the swastica as a symbol, and claim to want to run all the other races out of thier country.



So your not not going to look at he Nazi elephant in the room your going to deflect to Putin?

It seems you arent on topic and refuse to speak to the OP of the thread.

Its like saying Scooby Doo and Shaggy are the real Nazis when we people are talking about the acts of Hitler.

Discuss the Op, talk about if you support the self proclaimed Nazis if you do, or talk about why you dont support them, but please dont talk about nonsense like Putin is the real Nazi, or Obama is the real Nazi because they arent doing Nazi salutes and going around waving Nazi flags.



But Putin is doing the Nazi annexation of land thing. That is real, not some crackpots waving flags who don't have the power of a nation behind them to even attempt such a Nazi feat.


Ok dude you do realize this thread has nothing to do with Putin, or a land grab, or a war, and thats not answering the OP in the least.
Your saying the people going around saying that they are Nazis arent the Nazis, its Putin who is the real Nazi isnt even answering if you stand with Nazis.
Why are you going to Putin when the thread isnt about him at all, its about self proclaimed Nazis and thier ideology and if your with them or against them. That you keep refering to Putin instead of dealing with the OP is kinda a half hearted way of not answering the question in a honest manner. It sounds like your defending the people calling themselves Nazis by saying Putin is the real Nazi, which makes you sound a like a Nazi sympathizer that wont stand up and represent what he really means and be honest about it.
Its a discussion, you should be able to tell us where you stand on the topic being presented in an intelligent manner.

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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

He is firing up INTO the windows and roof WHERE the people are. He is not firing over their heads. You must be joking with that.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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And yet I thought this thread was about Nazi's in Ukraine, as it has nothing to do with the amount of them fighting or did I miss something in the OP?


Yep, the Seperatists can root out the minority of scumbags in their midst as and when they find them...

When are the Ukraine Army gonna shell the entire group of Nazis who don't need to be rooted out seeing as they're well out in the open fighting alongside them without anonymity?


Ah yes the same police that were shooting unarmed civilians on the okay from Yanukovych as he was the one to give the final order.


Unarmed doesn't mean innocent...
Prove it anyways...
& prove they weren't Nazi scum in the first place...


You mean shelling areas where separatists were hiding all the while launching attacks against the Ukraine gov't., or does that not matter?


Nope doesn't matter...
Morals do... Justification does...
Don't claim superiority and righteousness while amassing civillian bodies indiscriminately...

That's the Zionist argument...

& I won't accept it... Because I'm not an idiot.

Do you listen to yourself and others when you say such things?

You're saying "oh well there is a few bad guys in that crowd of 30 let's kill them all it doesn't matter"


Really by who?


Your buddy (you know who) was quick to say there is no Neo Nazis in Ukrainian Authorites just last night in his thread comparing Russia with the Nazis...

Didn't come back once I told him about Azovs Lieutenant Commander being made head of the Police Force by Poroshenko!!!


So yes, that is being written by propagandists.
All across the World.
For whatever reason, I could speculate, but my post would be removed!!!
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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You got the thread you asked for. If you wanted to explore the nasty world of parents who raise their children with Nazi values, you should have left Ukraine out of it. a reply to: FormOfTheLord



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord




Now you claim the rebels are Nazis too?


No I stated they have been fighting with the separatists...there is a difference.



I havent seen any physical evidence of this,


Pretty sure I provided that with the link in a prior post.



So what about the dudes chanting, "Sieg Hail" and doing the whole racist Nazi salute chanting that they are the master white race and Ukraine is only for them dont you condone exactly?


So you didn't understand my prior post concerning what I condone, because their is no need to repeat it.

I also want to comment on this video that you think shows kids chanting sieg heil...thank the youtube uploader for getting it wrong as to what they are saying...

DO you watch much soccer?

As what they were saying was not sieg heil, but it was a popular soccer chant...





Indoctrination of innocent little kids talking about genocide like its totally a cool thing to do.


Sorry but no indoctrinating there...btw this was addressed the first time someone posted it when discussing of Nazi's in Ukraine.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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Please remain on topic. a reply to: Dimithae



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

May I add that it was crackpots waving flags pre WW2 that no one at first took seriously,that ended up running a nation,then ruining it and its idenity.



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