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Over 40 Ways Putin’s Russia is Alarmingly Reminiscent of 1930s Nazi Germany

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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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And yes I think the US and NATO should roll in and force Russian forces back into their own country. Appeasement only gives putin more of an incentive to act like Hitler.


In Afghanistan the Taliban fled and took refuge in neighbouring Pakistan. Despite all the begs and pleas from US, the Pak authorities refused to crush the Taliban in their territory.

Why did not US invade Pakistan and wiped off the remaining factions of AQ and Taliban?

Answer: Pak has nukes and they warned against any mis-adventure by the US.

Same logic can apply here. Only additional factor is that Russian nukes can also reach the US with ease.

So much for your warmongering with the largest nuclear power on the globe.




posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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Any reason you ignore Russia's neo Nazis and racial hatred and only concentrate on Ukraine? Are you guys intentionally ignoring Russia's actions in this area or do you ignore it because its Russia doing the things you are trying to call Ukraine out on?

* - Russian Neo-Nazis Allegedly Lure, Torture Gay Teens With Online Dating Scam
* - Russia's Anti-Gay Law, Spelled Out in Plain English

Russian Neo Nazis

Many Russian neo-Nazis openly admire Adolf Hitler and use the swastika as their symbol. Russian neo-Nazis are characterized by racism, antisemitism, homophobia, Islamophobia and extreme xenophobia towards people from Asia.[72] Their ideology centers on defending Russian national identity against what they perceive as a takeover by minority groups such as Jews, Caucasians, homosexuals, Central Asians, East Asians, Roma people, and Muslims.

Russian neo-Nazis have made it an explicit goal to take over the country by force, and have put serious effort into preparing for this. Paramilitary organizations operating under the guise of sports clubs have trained their members in squad tactics, hand to hand combat and weapons handling. They have stockpiled and used weapons, often illegally.

Observers have noted the irony of Russians embracing neo-Nazism, because one of Hitler's ambitions at the start of World War II was to exterminate, expel, or enslave most or all Slavs from central and eastern Europe (i.e., Russians, Ukrainians, Poles etc.).[73] At the end of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, over 25 million Soviet citizens had died.[74] In a 2007 news story, ABC News reported, "In a country that lost more people defeating the Nazis than any other country, there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total."[75] This irony is further exemplified when looking at neo-Nazi groups such as the Gay Aryan Skinheads (GASH) and the Gay Aryan National Socialists (GANS), who emphasise the "man's fight" for fascism in Russia; these groups together have thousands of members. One of these groups, GANS, has a flag depicting two crossed erect penises beneath a swastika. [76]

The dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 caused great economic and social problems, including widespread unemployment and poverty. Several far right paramilitary organizations were able to tap into popular discontent, particularly among marginalized, lesser educated and unemployed youths. Of the three major age groups — youths, adults, and the elderly — youths may have been hit the hardest. The elderly suffered due to inadequate (or unpaid) pensions, but they found effective political representation in the Communist Party, and generally had their concerns addressed through better budget allocations. Adults, although often suffering financially and psychologically due to job losses, were generally able to find new sources of income.

Russian National Unity (RNE), founded in 1990 and led by Alexander Barkashov, has claimed to have members in 250 cities. RNE adopted the swastika as its symbol, and sees itself as the avant-garde of a coming national revolution. It is critical of other major far right organizations, such as the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR). Historian Walter Laqueur calls RNE far closer to the Nazi model than the LDPR. RNE publishes several news sheets; one of them, Russky poryadok, claims to have a circulation of 150,000. Full members of RNE are called Soratnik (comrades in arms), receive combat training at locations near Moscow, and many of them work as security officers or armed guards.[77]

On August 15, 2007, Russian authorities arrested a student for allegedly posting a video on the Internet which appears to show two migrant workers being beheaded in front of a red and black swastika flag.[78] Alexander Verkhovsky, the head of a Moscow-based center that monitors hate crime in Russia, said, "It looks like this is the real thing. The killing is genuine ... There are similar videos from the Chechen war. But this is the first time the killing appears to have been done intentionally."[79] A Russian neo-Nazi group called the Russian National Socialist Party claimed responsibility for the murders.


* - Radical Nationalism in Russia

Breakdown of Russia's Duma -
LDPR Political Party - Holds 56 seats in Duma

Opposing both communism and the "wild" capitalism of the 1990s, the party scored a major success in the 1993 Russian Duma elections, receiving a plurality of votes. In the elections in 2007, the party received 8.14% of the vote, giving it 40 of the 450 seats in the State Duma. In the 2011 elections, they increased their percentage to 11.4%. The party's brand and organization center on the personality of its leader, Zhirinovsky.

Despite the party's name, it is frequently described[by whom?] as "neither liberal nor democratic."[8] While the party describes itself as centrist and reformist,[citation needed] it is usually regarded[by whom?] as far-right and is identified[by whom?] with Russian ultranationalism, fiscally left national-populism and authoritarian conservatism.[9][10][11] Its ideology is based primarily on Zhirinovsky's ideas of "imperial reconquest" (a "renewed Russian Empire")[12] and on an authoritarian vision of a "Greater Russia".[11][13]


The Russia Duma has more Neo Nazis / Ultra radicals than Ukraine does.

Political Parties in Russia classified as Ultra-nationalist:
##Black Hundreds
##Eurasia Party
##Mladorossi
##National Bolshevik Party
##National Bolshevik Front
##National Salvation Front
##Pamyat
##LDPR
##People's National Party
##Russian National Socialist Party
##Russian National Union
##Russian National Unity
##Slavic Union

Racism in Russia -

Racism in Russia appears mainly in the form of negative attitudes and actions by Russians towards people who are not considered ethnically Russian. Traditionally, Russian racism included antisemitism, as well as hostility towards various ethnicities of Caucasus and Central Asia.[1] The director of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, Alexander Brod, stated that surveys show xenophobia and other racist expressions are prevalent in 50 percent of Russians.


This is how Russia views non Russians in their neck of the woods.

So while you continue to point fingers at Ukraine, trying to paint any individual who does not support Russia as a Nazi, maybe you should look in your own backyard first.

Do the actions of certain groups in Ukraine represent all of Ukraine and conversely do the actions of certain groups in Russia represent all of Russia?



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Xcathdra




Any reason you ignore Russia's neo Nazis and racial hatred and only concentrate on Ukraine?


Any reason why the thread
Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?
is closed and redirected here ?


Was wondering that myself, this one is equating modern Russia to 1930's Nazi Germany while the other is about neo Nazis in Ukraine and the support and justification they receive.
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Xcathdra




Any reason you ignore Russia's neo Nazis and racial hatred and only concentrate on Ukraine?


Any reason why the thread
Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?
is closed and redirected here ?


My guess would be because they are both about the same thing.... Nazis, Putin, Ukraine.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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My guess would be because they are both about the same thing.... Nazis, Putin, Ukraine.


So, can we still discuss here Ukranian neonazis or it will be called thread drifting, derailing etc ?



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Xcathdra




Any reason you ignore Russia's neo Nazis and racial hatred and only concentrate on Ukraine?


Any reason why the thread
Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?
is closed and redirected here ?


Was wondering that myself, this one is equating modern Russia to 1930's Nazi Germany while the other is about neo Nazis in Ukraine and the support and justification they receive.


Apparently it has been decided that modern Russia is a neo-Nazi country by the mods so there`s no difference between groups like Right Sector and Russia anymore.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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Have to laugh mate,and not surprising when a site owner posts the same type of venom against Putin as the thread starter here

He even did a Putin meme recently :-/

And I didn't want to post on this garbage thread either:-/



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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There is a concerted effort to stop any meaningful exchange. As soon as the truth is told there is shutdowns and post removals. 3..2...1
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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I'm not really concerned with naming people nazis as it's irrelevant. Murderous thugs are murderous thugs and I don't care to differentiate. But many people might be swayed by the fact that Russia's "nazis" are not decision makers in their countries politics, while Ukraine's murderous thugs are given free reign to try to live out their sordid, homicidal fantasies. On the other hand the US has its share of nazis, zealots, and other murderous thugs (mic and bankers for instance) that play a strong role in dictating our policies and enforcing them around the world.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:00 PM
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Yes pexx,I expect nearly every country has got little nazi boys and girls in their population who like dressing up and doing the salute

Only in Ukraine do they have seats in parliament and are given weapons to kill people:-/



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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I'm not really concerned with naming people nazis as it's irrelevant. Murderous thugs are murderous thugs and I don't care to differentiate. But many people might be swayed by the fact that Russia's "nazis" are not decision makers in their countries politics, while Ukraine's murderous thugs are given free reign to try to live out their sordid, homicidal fantasies.


Truth to be told Russian RNE neonazis are very similar to Ukranian Right Sektor neonazis.
The difference is that Ukranian neonazis are currently operating in the "American national interests", so the moderators here decide it is better to close the thread.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: TinfoilTP




My guess would be because they are both about the same thing.... Nazis, Putin, Ukraine.


So, can we still discuss here Ukranian neonazis or it will be called thread drifting, derailing etc ?


Why ask me, I bet I get moderated more than all the disgruntled Putin cheerleaders I see who got redirected here.
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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Im not sure why though, considering Americas long history of supporting ultra right wing para-militaries and dictators it should be really no surprise to anyone they have no qaulms about supporting neo-nazi's in Ukraine. Weird.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: TinfoilTP




My guess would be because they are both about the same thing.... Nazis, Putin, Ukraine.


So, can we still discuss here Ukranian neonazis or it will be called thread drifting, derailing etc ?


Why ask me, I bet I get moderated more than all the disgruntled Putin cheerleaders I see who got redirected here.


Could be because you can't have a coherent conversation with anyone without labels or name calling.
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posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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That pretty much describes every government and those in power in every government out there.

The whole thing with Russian and the Ukraine. Well its old rhetoric, even coming form the west and its influences. Were the real war is. Generally social and economic warfare, the only real distinction in the blue team vs red team is those who do not subscribe to borders. Corporations, Rich people, certain groups, and off course the whole NWO thing and people, really its basically globalists vs nationalists. And you can mix and match the meanings of both, or just bring them in any context required to suit your goals or whims.

For instance, generally globalists not adherent to country lines or having to life there, well they would not be in support of nationalizing a countries resources, it gives them a harder time making truckloads of money. And generally any country which does nationalist there resources. Let me give you an example, Saudi Arabia, they have lots of oil, there so rich most them dont work, they have armies of foreigners doing all the mundane work for them.

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Basically, its pretty much the same old thing which happened in WW2, so much so that you still have the companies who built things for the Nazis still around making things. In all its, all just rhetoric, you know most NAZIS claimed to be national socialists but had other connections, Hitler himself was a pen pal with Henry Ford. And off-course the whole Russian communist state was anything but for the people, especially considering that Stalin literally killed hundreds of thousands of people simply because he could using state wrought power. In reality both were more and still are more leaning toward state fascism no matter what the label they put on there coat jackets or was indoctrinated in the masses.

As for today. Well the whole confessions of an economic hitman may bring people up to speed to the years after the world wars, and even very much so do apply to today even a lot of our current proxy wars across the globe, both real and purely made up. Its why they destabilize countries like Libya or the Ukraine anyways, it has nothing to do with who is president Putin or Obama, they are merely the representatives of there particular business interests, and off-curse they have shares and stocks as well.

Its pretty much economic driven wars, ie money and resources the lowest cost for the biggest gains basically. Its why they try to destabilize nations which have plenty of oil or other resources are involved, before they nationalize there resources. They can come in and set up shot at a fraction of the cost basically, basically they want to keep things cheap and in control like in certain African or other countries, and not like in places like Saudi Arabia were they would have to play to there tune, its also why they play friends with the Saudis and others they liberate.

So ya Saudi Arabia is just as much a nationalistic state as people make it up to be the boogie man on anything from human rights to women's rights, but i tell you one thing, most of those living there including the women who are so oppressed are living pretty cozy, lets just say I do not think even with the ridiculous and strict religious rules they would trade it to come or any other country and bust there ass working, its what got them there.

They actually put there interests first before foreign entities. Greed in this world will get you far, the other will likely get you into an early grave, and likely for some make believe cause which never really existed. Its the tune of our past hundreds and thousands of years of history.

Its what this whole Nazi movement is about even in Ukraine, merely useful idiots on part, and also nationalists on the other its a mix and match of all kinds of messes left to them by there past. The world as we know it, no longer has borders they may as well just be lines in the sand, though the social structures and the every day life's of the majority of peoples who life within those borders its a life and death matter to them. Simply because they have to life there and like the globalists cant just take the jet to another lunchin in another part of the globe.

Its one reason why this whole NWO thing there trying to install has as many holes in it as swiss cheese does. I mean sure it works....Only for those who dont have to actually be there to make it work, doe it works. Its more like a global fascist state, the marriage of state, business, and central interests and powerful and rich interests. Everybody else is just not in the club.

So ya! Russian and Putin, or USA and Obama, or China and whoever. Its all for the most part just meaningless drivel devised to keep the masses occupied and going in circles. If it was so simple as one man or one group, well things would be much better off today, because the problems would be much easily solved. For instance the most of our drives is economics based, basically all those things you all buy. So really the problem comes down to every single person who ever bought something or pumped gas in there car and a whole host of other things. So really who is at fault here?

The whole figurehead thing? Well everybody needs something to point at and blame, and also to play the red vs blue game, my team vs your team, its called divide and conquer back when the Romans were waging there campaigns some 3 something thousand years ago. Not that teams dont exist, but once you realize its more like a tag team wrestling WWE match. The world becomes much more hilarious, even though people do die for there makebelive teams, people have been killing and dying for there makebelieve teams and gods for a long long time.

So really, there is nothing new under the sun.






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