Over 40 Ways Putin’s Russia is Alarmingly Reminiscent of 1930s Nazi Germany

Russia indeed shows signs of becoming a Fascist country, even though the most extreme aspects of National Socialism are absent. While I don't like him personally I doubt Putin is actually planning a genocide. He seems to be more of an opportunist than an idealist like Hitler. He does what he can to maintain and/or increase his power and position because he can get away with it, not because he's planning some mad world conquest. I don't think he'd be mad enough to try that.

Of course this discussion is bound to attract the Putin Rangers or whatever you call them, the kind who take criticism of Russia/Putin and blindly following Western media to be the same thing. I don't think anyone on ATS is uncritical of the mainstream media or unaware of the sketchy things Western countries have done and are doing. It's just that the world can have more than one undemocratic power with conflicting interests. China and the USSR weren't too friendly either even though both were authoritarian states. There's more than one propaganda machine at work, that's pretty much guaranteed.

a reply to: ModerateManiac

And excellent and well said assessment of what I also believe to be occurring.

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: ScientificRailgun





There are not fighting in defence of their country they are attacking the east of their country!



They are not the victims stop treating them as if they are



Anyone supporting the racist far right ferret faced thugs in Ukraine who are slaughtering people whom they think are not Master race potential is a racist just like them

A good example of how people support the Nazi movement and promote racist gencide in Ukraine is the indoctronation of kids into racism and genocidal hatred.
I am against all the Nazi elements and my fore fathers fought in wars to stop them, with good reason too, they need to be shut down, genocide is not acceptable on this earth and we cannot support those with a genocidal agenda in good Conscience, we have an aptitude, faculty, intuition or judgment that assists in distinguishing right from wrong, and supporting them is wrong in my opinion. Wether its the Nazis in the KKK, in Ukraine, in the US, on the moon, in Russia, in Japan, in China or anywhere, they need to be stopped.

I get your point if people support those idolizing racism and genocide which is sheer ignorance, then they could be considered racist by some. Look at the video those people are "ALL IN" meaning they agree 100% with the whole genocide ideology.
During WW2 alot of people supported Hitler and the Nazis did that make them just as bad in your opinion?
I am not saying they are racist for supporting racists, I let people speak for themselves and declare where they stand on those issues.

If people want to white wash the racism and hope it goes away thats on them, we will see what happens, but I dont believe it will just go away, hatred grows like a cancer.

If the people of Ukraine shook off this cancer I would be the first to say good job Ukraine, but they arent doing that they are embracing it with open arms.

If people support a known evil does that make them bad?
Let me put it in a different hypothetical context, say there are self proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine commiting genocide against non ethnic Ukrainians. The people or civilians who support them didnt do the war crimes, but they support the self proclaimed Nazi that did them, and also chant genocide in mass crowds to empower the self proclaimed Nazi into commiting the war crimes. At the end of the day all people are responsible for thier own actions.

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Why would Russia have done it? They have not gained anything from it-if they invaded and occupied all of Ukraine from that incident alone I might see some merit in your words

On the contrary, they have gained a very powerful propaganda weapon. On every thread about Ukraine, the fire is brought up as "proof" that the Kyiv government is just a bunch of Fascist thugs. As it is, they have invaded Ukraine, using the threat to "ethnic Russians" as a pretext. That fire symbolizes the alleged threat. Of course they are taking Ukraine piecemeal. If they sent tanks speeding towards Kyiv it would panic NATO into action. They started out with Crimea, now a land bridge through Mariuopol is in the works.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

They are singing a football "fight song." This has already been explained to you on your other thread!

Edit to add: Unfortunately it is now clear you are not interested in understanding the situation in Ukraine.

a reply to: ModerateManiac

I don't think anyone on ATS is uncritical of the mainstream media or unaware of the sketchy things Western countries have done and are doing.

Are you sure ?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

No reasoned person here on ATS puts the blame for this conflict solely on the shoulders of Putin and Russia, at least I don't believe so.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

No reasoned person here on ATS puts the blame for this conflict solely on the shoulders of Putin and Russia, at least I don't believe so.

So you`re saying there are people who are not reasoned here on this forum ?

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Wow,must have had a reality slip as what they describe went done that day is not what I saw on the news!

Who can forget those lovely pretty Ukrainian girls making Molotov and smiling for camera
The police wall coming apart to allow a far right activist in
That rather round looking chap with a gun firing at the people in the building
The friendly far right thugs putting out the flames on people who had jumped from the building by bludgeoning them to death

So the Ukraine government and special police say the pro Russians started it by firing on the crowd earlier and throwing molotovs from that building:-/

BS,those far right thugs set light to their tents and beat them into the building and after that they torched it and more than likely killed anyone in there who survived the blaze:-/

I know that like others do as we saw footage showing that from day one

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You know I keep seeing and hearing all these declarations that Ukraine supports Nazi's because they allow the Right Sector to fight for them.

I just wonder, if someone were to invade say, The United States for example. You can bet that the KKK would be taking up arms to help defend the country. You can bet various Neo-Nazi skinhead groups in the US would be fighting along side regular army. Would that mean the U.S. then supports Nazis?

You are making up extremely unlikely hypothesis. But let me clarify it a bit more , what would be situation if you want to compare neonazi groups. Imagine that Russian/China would make a pro-dixie coupe in USA. Giving that, some KKK would join dixie forces and I bet that even Yankees would often say that dixie are driven by foreign secret services AND neonazi groups. There would be also neonazi of different flavour in Yankee side, but historically Yankee were antiracist so, it is safe to say that Yankee neonazi would have less prominence.
I see Ukranain/Russian conflict more like a civil war and not external invasion. The things are not clear cut, but this is a view that I think reflects reality better.

Problem is, it makes all the difference in the world whose footage you were watching from day one....a reply to: Whereismypassword

originally posted by: DJW001
Problem is, it makes all the difference in the world whose footage you were watching from day one....a reply to: Whereismypassword

The footage in question was shot by the pro Kiev side. Kinda shot yourself in the foot there.

a reply to: DJW001

Problem is, it makes all the difference in the world whose footage you were watching from day one

And how you can defend and explain this debauchery in Ukranian Rada ?
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originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: DJW001
Problem is, it makes all the difference in the world whose footage you were watching from day one....a reply to: Whereismypassword

The footage in question was shot by the pro Kiev side. Kinda shot yourself in the foot there.

What footage are you talking about? I don't believe anyone has specified.

Edit to add: Which reminds me... do you agree or disagree with me when I pointed out that the United States is more tolerant of right wing movements and governments than it is of left wing ones?

a reply to: DJW001

The footage you were replying to in wheresmypassword's post.

Who can forget those lovely pretty Ukrainian girls making Molotov and smiling for camera
The police wall coming apart to allow a far right activist in
That rather round looking chap with a gun firing at the people in the building
The friendly far right thugs putting out the flames on people who had jumped from the building by bludgeoning them to death

Feigning ignorance should be beneath you if you want people to take you seriously.

First off how did you get to the topic of the US from my post about ultra nationalists in Ukraine? Changing topic?

a reply to: sosobad

He described four different "scenes." How is anyone to know which edited version he is referring to? You of all people should know that the media can create false impressions in the editing room. What does it matter why I asked? Why do you refuse to agree or disagree with my statement?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: sosobad

He described four different "scenes." How is anyone to know which edited version he is referring to? You of all people should know that the media can create false impressions in the editing room. What does it matter why I asked? Why do you refuse to agree or disagree with my statement?

All scenarios talked about were captured by pro Kiev supporters.

So you won't explain how you changed the topic from Per Anders Rudlings paper on the rise of neo Nazism in Ukraine to the United States but expect me to answer? How does it pertain to what I originally posted?

a reply to: Xcathdra

All I ask is you at least link to sources to support why you think it applies.

I perhaps would but you haven't bothered, so why should I?

It's a list of points yes, but no expansion on any of them as to how they currently apply to Russia.

In my humble opinion this is nothing but propaganda. I'm not a particular fan of Russia or Putin, but it's the usual, equating someone/some country to the Nazis. It's cliched and unoriginal and not particularly clever and insightful. In fact it's flawed. To be frank, a couple of years ago you probably would have posted the same thing about Iran (or whichever country is enemy of the month).

I mean the points you added are interesting I suppose, but you haven't explained any of them. I don't know how some of them can be perceived to apply to Russia.

The fact some European leaders are to afraid to do anything militarily because of their countries involvement in the 1930's, ignoring the fact they have an opportunity to prevent it from occurring again by taking a stand.

Okay, so what are you suggesting? What do you mean by "taking a stand."? Nazi Germany wasn't armed with nuclear weapons.

I mean the list is interesting and is certainly worth bearing in mind when looking at any country not just Russia. And yes there are a number which could apply to the United States or other countries - some of which the United States is allied with.

I'm not sure what your point was with this thread really. The points stand well enough on their own.

The quotation wand't from Rudling's paper, as far as I could tell. I gave my reaction to that paper at length, and you have said nothing about that. Instead, you are quibbling about irrelevant tangential minutae. Please stop playing games. A reply to: sosobad

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Most people are attracted to a board like this because they don't trust the MSM on any number of topics. Except for the people who just come here to obstruct discussion and/or troll, but I didn't include them here.