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originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: jedi_hamster
Why don't you take it up with the Ukrainian Electoral Commission if you are dissatisfied?
There was an election and Poroshenko got nearly 55% of the vote on a turn-out of 60%. The people who did not bother to vote, didn't. However, it's usual to count those that did not vote and extrapolate result proportionately.
Difficult, I know, but that's democracy for you.
originally posted by: sosobad
That was 60% of the people minus the 7 million or so from the donbass too. Not as high as you are making out.
MOSCOW, February 16. /TASS/. The self-defense forces of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) are ready to open a "green corridor" for Ukrainian forces out of the encirclement in Debaltseve, DPR envoy in the Contact Group Denis Pushilin said on Monday.
"For the Ukrainian forces to exit, we are ready to provide a ‘green corridor’, and DPR head Alexander Zakharchenko announced it yesterday. The corridor will be opened if [Ukrainian] forces exit without weapons or military equipment," the Donetsk News Agency quoted Pushilin as saying.
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
To be honest, I would wish to know how many of the 8000 trapped troops are foreigners, but with the rest of front having quiet down, I would even want more the fighting to stop.
Apart from that, the mothers of Ukrainian soldiers surrounded in Debaltsevo say that troops there received orders to abandon their defensive positions and equipment and attempt to exit the encirclement in small groups. They say command and control has been completely lost, which means the soldiers are on their own.
Earlier today the Russian Spring reported that, according to the information from the relatives of UAF troops located in the vicinity of Debaltsevo, the chain of command has completely broken down and the troops were issued orders to break out of the cauldron on their own. However, several Ukrainian media immediately denied the reports, claiming it was panic-mongering.
However, only an hour ago the acting spokesperson for the Ukrainian General Staff Vladislav Seleznev confirmed this information during a live interview on the TV channel 112, saying that DPR units were assaulting the UAF base-camp at Debaltsevo, and that the headquarters for all UAF forces there has been destroyed.
"Ukrainian punitive troops are surrendering in large numbers. Journalists have filmed the surrender of one of the punitive units in the Debaltsevo cauldron. More than 70 men laid down their arms to save their lives and surrendered to LPR People’s Militia.
Video in the Link
There are some who are surrendering and some who keep on fighting...they all should surrender because that situation is hopeless, but there are rumours that there are still lots of mercenaries.
The number of troops over there are at least 5000, but I also have heard there 8000 or maybe 9000.
And of troops there might be about 1500/2500 support troops and more as half of the encircled troops being mercenaries (but these numbers are a bit speculative)...the mercenaries might be the ones who don`t want to give up.
Ukrainian troops are holding defense in strongpoints in the vicinity of Debaltsevo. There is street fighting in the city against Russian soldiers [sic] and Kadyrovites [sic].
This is what “Gross,” the deputy commander of the 25th Kievan Rus battalion, which is located near Debaltsevo, said during a phone call broadcast live by the TV news channel 24.