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posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 07:26 AM
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Wouldn't it be odd if it were found that man is DELAYING an ice age?




posted on Feb, 27 2005 @ 03:00 PM
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If everything in nature has a reason for being, why should the vast underground seas of oil be excluded? What if- in the grand scheme of things- we are supposed to burn fossil fuels?



posted on Feb, 27 2005 @ 10:19 PM
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The Earth has existed for over 4 billion years 2 of which with similar atmospheric comditions. The Earth has been known over history to have a dynamic climate and period of warming and cooling all of which has nothing to do with the miniscule amount of pollution we put in the atmosphere. The atmosphere can absorb and recycle whatever we throw at it. Here is a list of some of what has happened in the past to the planet.
1. An impact by a 17 mile asteroid 65 million years (threw up more debris and climate changing compounds than we could in 100,000 years in one day) Killed 75% of all species Cloud covered earth and lasted from 6 months to a year.
2. Explosion of Krakatoa, Expelled more climate changing compounds than we expelled in 100 years.
3. Every month on average a volcano will expell a decade worth of these compounds
The fact is how can we compete with these natural factors?
The fact is all the radical envioromentalists want is not a clean earth but an earth with a big socialist government that tells you what to do when it comes to everything



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by desertsoldier22
The fact is how can we compete with these natural factors?
The fact is all the radical envioromentalists want is not a clean earth but an earth with a big socialist government that tells you what to do when it comes to everything



I could not have said it better myself, but you forgot one minor detail, the Ervironwackos driving their SUV's to the meetings....



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:04 PM
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The really funny thing is that these accusations are being made with no basis in science. We are basiing all this information on climate readings less than 50 years old, we have only been keeping temperature recordings for 100 years
We only discovered the ozone layer in the last 40 years, so who is it for us to decide whether the odd weather we have been experiencing in the last 10 is really odd after all but rather a normal climate.
Heres a fact Ozone is an isotope of oxygen that is form by ionizing radiation
Areas on the earth with the least amount of magnetic field protection have more of it because of the sun's radiation impacting rarified O2 in the upper atmosphere. The areas with the most magnetic field protection (aka the polar regions) have less and the content varies depending on axial tilt at the time
That is why the ozone hole is bigger in anarctica during its winter. But its aresol oh yeah aresol makes ozone dissapear.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:11 PM
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I thought is was only the US coal plants and the forest fires in the western United States...you mean is was my Lysol can the while time?



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:21 PM
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You know edsinger, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were trolling. Good thing a seasoned vet of ATS like you would know better that to troll.



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 12:53 AM
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I would ignore him but then I would miss the hilarity of his comments.



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by AlabamaCajun
I would ignore him but then I would miss the hilarity of his comments.


ah face it you liberals just cant get enough can you? Deep down you want to abandon the lame movement but what would your friends in the Minni's say?



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
ah face it you liberals just cant get enough can you? Deep down you want to abandon the lame movement but what would your friends in the Minni's say?

Kind of difficult to believe the movement's getting abandoned, you should find out how much money is being donated to the cause. Unlike neocon orgs, the money comes from individuals not big corps that make millions while paying it's workers middle wages.

Is it really that people believe that we can trash the environment and not pay the consequences? Wake up and smell the smog! We take one good environmental hit from a natural cause with all the junk floating around, what do you think will happen? If you really think it safe, how long do you think you would last in a closed garage with that SUV running? (Don't try this at home or anywhere).



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 10:28 PM
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Did you even read the thread? the comments about the volcano's spewing more than man during the last decade in one eruption? You jump onto a 'cool' and 'hip' cause with no basis for proof as of yet, sure we cause some of it but the Earth is much bigger and more versatile than you give her credit for.....


Yes I have a Yukon!



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 10:39 PM
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Wow, there is maybe three environmental scientists in the world who don't believe that global warming is real and is caused by us. And all three are on the current U.S. administrations's payroll. And the problem isn't going away any time soon. They have proof and more proof that this is true. How could all the fossill fuel we have been burning for the last 100 years, all the rain forest that is burned every day, not have an impact on the environment. FYI, global warming is a misnomer. The added retention of solar energy in our ecosystem is causing climat changes, some places get warmer, some may get cooler, and we will be subject to radical weather changes. Examples: heavy rains where there weren't any (California, and Texas are recent examples). 5 major hurricane systems in one season (last year in the Atlantic). Ice is melting at a terrific rate in the polar regions. Sea level is rising (it is measured all the time).

Sorry, but I think your original post is just a combination of wishful thinking, ignorance (we are supposed to deny that here), and political rhetoric.

edsinger, maybe you should change your name to "blood and guts" singer. I doubt you have ever served, have you?

[edit on 1-3-2005 by CaptAvatar]

[edit on 1-3-2005 by CaptAvatar]



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by CaptAvatar

edsinger, maybe you should change your name to "blood and guts" singer. I doubt you have ever served, have you?


Ok Capt I will answer,

First yes 1980's US Navy


Second , so you buy the whole man made issue? Well I for one know that we are polluting, the only argument I would state is that it is much overestimated, cutting rain forests is one thing but Hurricanes and Ice melting is completely another.

Let me ask you something then, and not ONE single envirowacko in here has even attempted to answer so I will give you a shot.

How did olives grow in Germany in the 1300's? Remember that was BEFORE the industrial revolution.......

Could you at least acknowledge that we could possibly be delaying an ice age? I would ask you at least study both sides of an issue before forming an opinion after watching the "The Day After Tomorrow"...



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 07:44 AM
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ahh....look!!! There's four feet of water outside my doorway!!! I think I take my rowboat and peddle on down to the damn, and blow it!!!

sorry, but well.....although I agree that in the best of times, our earth has her cycles moments of hostility, I am not willing to accept the idea that our actions aren't causing that hostility to be a little more extreme.

so, now it's being suggested that we have unknowingly prevented the planet from continuing on with her cycles....horray!!!!

even if this was true.....what was the cost?
kids with malformed lungs?
male fish trying to produce eggs, female galls nesting and trying to mate??

Man has gone through earth's natural cycles and her "pms" as she shifts many times in the past.....
but, well, will humanity survive if they can't breath, or can't mate?

here we are playing with the earth's cycles and systems......
and well, us lowly women are playing god by deciding not to bring a baby into this world????
and the second hand smoke from a cigarette is killing you?
and, well, don't eat that doughnut, or mc donald's hamburg....you'll get fat...and I'll have to fire you!!

there's is something really screwy with societies thought processes!


E_T

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by beyondSciFi
Well... whether the Earth is cooling or getting warmer I doubt its because of air pollution. Man-made CO2 if only about 1/10 of that the earth produces from volcanoes and other sources.


Originally posted by desertsoldier22
1. An impact by a 17 mile asteroid 65 million years (threw up more debris and climate changing compounds than we could in 100,000 years in one day) Killed 75% of all species Cloud covered earth and lasted from 6 months to a year.
2. Explosion of Krakatoa, Expelled more climate changing compounds than we expelled in 100 years.
3. Every month on average a volcano will expell a decade worth of these compounds
The fact is how can we compete with these natural factors?
The fact is all the radical envioromentalists want is not a clean earth but an earth with a big socialist government that tells you what to do when it comes to everything
ROTFL.
With asteroid impact greenhouse gasses are smallest of your worries. Ejecta falling back to earth literally heats atmosphere so hot that heat radiation of it burns everything compustible which isn't underground or underwater... and deeper than few meters, heat would vaporize surface layer of all oceans.
And how that gives human right to play god? (with earth)

And mankinds emissions totally dwarf volcanic CO2 emissions... or do you think there's once in a week eruption equal to 1991 eruption of Pinatubo?
Which actually would cause volcanic winter quite fast because effect of aerosols from eruption is even bigger than one caused by greenhouse gases released by it.


While your apparent holy cow is greed of corporationism. (who tell you to consume and shed money to them more and more)
Unregulated capitalism is pure anarchy, exactly same like if you would be allowed to kill people who doesn't agree with you just because you can do it. (and if it benefits you)

"Understanding is a three-edged sword."





Thinking that this skyrocketing CO2 amount doesn't affect to climate isn't anymore burying head under sand, it's burying it under bedrock.



Carbon Dioxide

Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times.

Sulfur Emissions

Andres and Kasgnoc (1997) estimated the time-averaged inventory of subaerial volcanic sulfur emissions. There inventory was based upon the 25 year history of making sulfur measurements, primarily sulfur dioxide (SO2), at volcanoes. Actual measurements of subaerial volcanic sulfur dioxide emissions indicate a time-averaged flux of 13 Tg/yr sulfur dioxide from early 1970 to 1997. [Note: a Tg is equal to 10E12 grams]. About 4 Tg come from explosive eruptions and 9 Tg is released by passivedegassing, in an average year. When considering the other sulfur species also present in volcanic emissions, a time-averaged inventory of subaerial volcanic sulfur emissions is 10.4 Tg/yr sulfur.

Volcanoes and other natural processes release approximately 24 Tg of sulfur to the atmosphere each year. Thus, volcanoes are responsible for 43% of the total natural S flux each year. Man's activities add about 79 Tg sulfur to the atmosphere each year. In an average year, volcanoes release only 13% of the sulfur added to the atmosphere compared to anthropogenic sources.
volcano.und.nodak.edu...



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 12:53 PM
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Ok good information, so why could the germans grow olives in 1300?



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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Ed, you are talking about the medieval warm period, sometimes referred to as the little climatic optimum, (which was flowed by the little ice age).

No one is denying that natural fluctuations in climate occur, The problem is, that if we extrapolate based on historic CO2 levels, the coming warm period will be much higher than the medieval warm period.



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 10:15 PM
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Yeah read that link it says we produce more sulfer than volcanoes but Volcanoes produce on average 5 to 7 times the amount in other gases each year and sulfer is not a greenhouse gas



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 10:18 PM
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"im going out to spray an aeresol can, screw my grandchildren I'm cold now!"
Drew Carey



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 10:25 PM
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My point is that radical enviormentalism is favored by radicals because the only solution to the supposed problems is radical legeslation and big government.
Whenever a theory is disproved they latch onto another, its called scare tactics and marxist have been using this tactic for years. In reality all you people know about nature is your little weekend excursions from San Fransisco to Yosemite or Big Bear, you guys could'nt live off the land if you tried. You could'nt even survive two days without a Starbucks around the block from you.
"damn hippies"
eric cartman





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