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the new president is under political pressure on other fronts and firmly aligned himself with majority of opinion in Indonesia in favour of the death penalty for drug trafficking
The smooth-talking Mr Turnbull sounded almost regal in what many believed to be a direct, almost prime ministerial address to Indonesia to release the doomed Bali Nine duo, whose execution date is expected to be announced any day.
Not one to be plagued by gaffes, Mr Turnbull’s smooth turn of phrase emerged again as he pleaded — looking directly into the camera — for Indonesia’s President to release Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran
“It is the sign of the strongest love and the greatest mercy when you extend it to those who least deserve it,” he said, staring directly into the hearts and souls of Indonesian officials.
“It is not a sign of weakness ... to have a bigger love, a greater mercy than any of their crimes.”
Indonesian judge says Bali Nine duo shouldn’t be shot because the death penalty doesn’t work
A former senior Indonesian Judge involved in the Bali Nine trials has warned the firing squad does nothing to prevent drug crime.
Speaking exclusively to News Corp, Judge Laica Marzuki said he is saddened by his country’s renewed stand on the death penalty and that heavy sentences would be a more effective deterrent to criminals.
Plea from Kuta's hawkers - don't boycott Bali over Bali nine execution threat
Balinese hawkers along the famed Kuta beach have pleaded with Australians not to boycott the island, with many saying they oppose the execution of Australians Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan.
"I'm telling you, the people in Bali do not agree with this executions," said Chris, an Indonesian who rents out surfboards.
"This is the stupidity of the government. For me, it's not good. You kill someone like this because of the drugs but you won't stop it.
"You kill a person but you don't kill the factory [manufacturing the narcotics]. If you want to stop it, stop the factory."
More than half of Bali's tourists come from Australia. Last week, Minister for Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop warned Indonesians that Australians could cancel their travel to Indonesia if the two men, convicted of drug smuggling, were killed by firing squad.
"I think the Australian people will demonstrate their deep disapproval of this action, including by making decisions about where they wish to holiday," she said.
News of her comments spread rapidly among the thousands of Balinese who rely on the tourism industry.
According to Chris, "everyone is worried about it."
Putu, who sells T-shirts in an alley just back from Kuta beach, says she too is concerned about the impact of the looming executions.
"It's not good for business. It's not good for tourists.
originally posted by: Qumulys
a reply to: Kryties
Look as you know from my post, I most certainly am not in any blood lust about this. But I've just got a question.
Lets say that some Indonesians are caught in Australia drug smuggling and we sentence them to twenty years. Would we bow to Indonesian pressure if they called for us to execute them as per their laws?
EXECUTIONS COULD LEAD TO JAIL VIOLENCE
The spiritual adviser for Andrew Chan warned if Indonesia goes ahead with the executions of he and Mayan Sukumaran, it could lead to more violence and unrest in the prison system.
Jeff Hammond, a Jakarta-based pastor who has been counselling Chan for four years, said proceeding with the death sentence would send a message to other criminals on death row that there was no point of rehabilitation because the outcome would still be the same.
He said many of the inmates looked up to the two men and at least nine prisoners had offered to take Chan’s place in front of the firing squad.
“Every inmate on death row, now none of them has any hope of mercy or rehabilitation so the impact could be that you could have a situation where you might have more violence and uncertainty in the prison,” Mr Hammond told ABC radio.
“The impact of this particular decision and if the executions go ahead could be actually quite dangerous in the prison.
“Other prisoners on life also have no hope that their sentence might be downgraded to 20 years to given them hope that one day they might be able to get out of prison.”
Bali nine executions: Indonesia's president did not have all the documents when he refused clemency
Indonesia's President Joko Widodo refused clemency for the Bali nine duo facing execution without all the documentation of their cases due to the chaotic handover to his office from his predecessor.
A source familiar with the events, who asked not to be named because of the extreme sensitivity of the case, told Fairfax Media Mr Joko had little more than a list of drug offenders on death row when he made the decisions.
"Look, the current president simply takes over all pending applications of the death felons from the previous government which the latter did not touch at all," said the source.
"And there was just a few pieces of papers listing names of people on death row. No documents attached to the lists."
The source said that the President did not have a complete understanding of the rehabilitation of Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, or documentation outlining the testimony from a former governor of Kerobokan prison.
The governor, Siswanto, testified that their transformation was genuine and had profoundly affected the penitentiary.
The two organisers of the Bali nine heroin smuggling ring have run numerous vocational education courses inside Kerobokan, counselled drug addicted inmates and raised money for medical procedures for their fellow convicts and to improve facilities in the prison.
Mr Joko was sworn in as president in October and refused the clemency of Sukumaran and Chan in December and January respectively.
His predecessor Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono had failed to consider their clemency for years and, after he left, the complete documentation for the clemency bids was not forwarded to Mr Joko's staff.
Fairfax Media understands the main list of 64 convicts on death row used by Mr Joko contained only the most scant information - names, nationality, ages when they were arrested and sentenced, the status of their legal appeals, and the province in which they are incarcerated.
The revelations that Mr Joko had been making his clemency decisions without full information comes as lawyers for the pair prepare an appeal to Jakarta's administrative court arguing the process around the clemency rejection was flawed.
They argue that the President rejected all the clemency petitions without reviewing them individually.
"Without wanting to disrupt the President's prerogative [to granting clemency], we submitted the lawsuit only due to the lack of clarity of reasons behind the President's decision to not grant pardon," said Todung Mulya Lubis, a lawyer for the pair.
Bali Nine: Authorities want more information from Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran’s lawyers about conduct of their sentencing judges
INDONESIAN authorities have sought more information from lawyers of the condemned Bali Nine duo about the conduct of their sentencing judges.
In an encouraging development, the Indonesian Judicial Commission — investigating claims political interference from Jakarta during Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan’s 2005 sentence — called for further technical material about the complaint lodged last week.
One of their Australian legal team, Melbourne barrister Michael O’Connell SC, visited the pair in Kerobokan prison to brief them on the latest developments and about their upcoming court case next week.
Mr O’Connell said both men were doing “remarkably well” in very trying circumstances.
He said that a complaint with the country’s Judicial Commission was lodged on Friday afternoon last week and that since then the commission had sought further technical detail from the lawyers.
“We are organising for that material to be provided and when it is we hope that he investigation will move forward,” Mr O’Connell said.
He said it was hoped the commission will now rigorously investigate the matters raised.
The complaint centres around claims from the men’s original lawyer, Muhammad Rifan, that a bribe was on the table in order to give a lighter sentence and that there was political interference from Jakarta which saw the men sentenced to death instead.
If the Indonesian Govt executes Sukumaran and Chan then methinks there is going to be a MASSIVE boycott by Aussies refusing to holiday in Indonesia.
originally posted by: Kryties
Looks like the relentless march toward an unjust execution has been given a reprieve.
LOOK at the clear evidence of the rehabilitation efforts of these two men.
Main article: Justifiable homicide
Homicides may also be non-criminal when conducted with the sanction of the state. The most obvious examples are capital punishment, in which the state determines that a person should die. Homicides committed in action during war are usually not subject to criminal prosecution either. In addition, members of law enforcement entities are also allowed to commit justified homicides within certain parameters which, when met, do not usually result in prosecution;
Also i am blue collar , nothing trendy about me except if you call a people with correctly set moral compass trendy .
That might make you equally bad or worse a bonehead (probably a bikie)that is happy to be runner for those better educated or wealthier dumb enough to believe they actually have you,re interests at heart as if!