originally posted by: TVC15
read it here:
Tom Mahood on Robert Lazar
I like the way Mahood discusses Lazar and appreciate his work. Here are his arguments from that great link and my thoughts:
1. We both agree Lazar's education isn't as he claimed. He finds that a BIG lie, I find it a typical lie. A study found 17% lied about their
There are lots of famous people who have done it...
It isn't a deal breaker for me. In fact it adds some credibility to the whole story. A guy that skipped the whole 'establishment' education would
not be so 'ethically' bound by confidentiality agreements the Govmint makes everyone sign. A guy that lied and bluffed his way into a Cosmic
clearance program has to be pretty good at it.
2. Birth certificate is a red herring and not important. Rumor is he was adopted and had trouble getting a copy. Doesn't prove anything either way
and not another big lie.
3. Lazar talks like a physicist complaint. Well, we already accepted his education is 'non-traditional' so he likely has significant gaps in Physics
knowledge. It does mean he'd have to be a good BS'er to get into a job at S4...but that seems possible.
4. Lazar was out at the 'Black Boxes' monitoring Groom Lake activity PRIOR to his employment there. Good issue to raise! Mahood says this explains
how Lazar knew to bring friends out at the right time, NOT Lazar actually working at S4 and knowing anything.
I disagree. Prior to working at S4 Lazar was a friend of Lear and they talked about all sorts of stuff. It was known in 'the community' that strange
things were going on at Groom Lake. Lazar clearly REQUESTED to go work at Groom. Why request to work so far from home when you know all the action
going on at Los Alamos??? Lazer fully suspected bigger projects were going on at Groom than at Los Alamos. He wanted to be where the biggest action
was. The fact Lazar was out at the Black Boxes monitoring Groom Lake activity fits in nicely with his later request to go work there.
5. A 'failed' informal test of Lazar on his knowledge of the Groom facility. The S4 facility is pretty independent of the Groom facility, and Lazar
just waited at Groom for the bus to S4. I wouldn't expect him to know much about Groom. Besides that, the whole project classifications are really
separate and not everyone has access to anywhere. It is much more restricted than that. Without more information on the questions and answers this
really is a 'trust me, he failed' argument. Sorry but my trust isn't good because I can't throw you very far.
6. Knapp isn't a very good journalist. Well, everyone gets their own opinion. Considering Knapp has been doing his work for 30 years or so now
somehow I suspect he's pretty good at it. Throughout the whole Lazar story Knapp has tried to be straight up, especially when he admitted he
couldn't confirm Lazar's education background or Los Alamos work. The way Knapp handled the investigation seems highly credible to me. Mahood is
saying, 'trust me, Knapp isn't very good'. Sorry, I don't see Mahood as credible in this claim. He hasn't cited any specific examples where Knapp
was 'fooled'. Hahood needs evidence if he wants to say such a long time journalist isn't credible.
7. Lazar friends know him to be a BS'er. Well we have already accepted his education wasn't real and more self taught. We are actually relying on
Lazar being able to BS enough to get hired into Los Alamos and then BS enough to get hired into a Cosmic Secret project at S4. This doesn't mean he
didn't get to work at S4. It does mean we have to make sure we check what he says carefully for BS of course!
8. Gravity waves vs EM waves. People argue Lazar mixed up the two, and he did. However his story is that he was brought on to help understand an
alien technology. It was 'unknown' and they were trying to reverse engineer it and 'figure it out'. Lazar also wasn't classically educated so
gaps in his knowledge are understandable. For me that helps explain Lazar's faulty discussion. It does raise concerns about BS of course. Lazar
didn't claim to be in the project very long, so it helps explain why he might not have better understood the propulsion of a alien ship.
9. Mahood's discussion of the physics behind gravity waves and gravity itself is really poor. He got a masters in the subject but and the technology
is supposed to be well beyond current human understanding. Typical of an educated person they feel they know it all. Same problem when he talks about
element 115 and what Lazar said to explain how energy to derived from it. The propulsion system is well beyond our understanding. To argue Lazar is
lying because the physics are 'impossible' is saying we already know everything, which we clearly don't. Poor argument. An educated person saying a
story isn't true because they never learned about doing that during there career. If Mahood DID understand how a spaceship flew I would be skeptical
because the tech is so far ahead of where we are at now.
Here is Mahood's final words to anyone that would even dare to consider what he has said,
"I will be interested to see what (if anything) the wackos have to say about this, but I suspect they’ll somehow find more nasty things to say
about me. But I have no obligations other than to myself. So, I might suggest in a very rare departure from civility, they simply go #
Sorry, this wacko doesn't accept your arguments.