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Obama just declared war on Syria ?

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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

You know damn well Obama is looking for any reason to bomb the snot out of Assad, Assad is just smart enough not to give him a reason.

The same goes for Israel and there illegal strikes into Syria.




posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen


It all boils down to energy supply and arms sales Sanctions of Russia’s defense industry, with respect to arms sales to Syria.
www.globalresearch.ca...



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: jaws1975

And yet, they're already bombing in Syria. It would be so easy to "accidentally" have a shoot down, or an incident. And there hasn't been a damn thing. So which is it? Obama and the US is the height of evil and war mongering, and blowing up everything in sight, or not? Because according to most of ATS we should have already wiped out Syria.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Dabrazzo

Yeah, you're right. Syria isn't fighting back because they're so terrified of the big bad US, despite Russian backing and support, and modern air defenses. That makes so much more sense than both sides denying an agreement was made.


Sorry but at no point have I ever speculated as to why Syria is not shooting down U.S fighter planes, I am simply countering the statement you made;



The US is bombing Syrian territory, but is attacking ISIS targets, with the permission of the Assad government.


Suggesting the Syrian government has given the U.S permission to conduct these strikes within Syrian territory would appear to be entirely false.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Dabrazzo

And yet, there are sources that talked about an agreement. So it's more correct to say that you think it's false. So then please, enlighten me, why has Syria just sat there and done absolutely nothing to try to stop the coalition from bombing the hell out of them.

You say they've been trying to remove Assad for four years, and yet, not a single coalition strike has hit a Syrian target. They've been bombing for a couple of months not, and the Syrian military is intact, and only ISIS targets have been hit, and the Syrians haven't even locked up a coalition aircraft. Sure seems like they're doing a great job of removing him.
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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: douglas5

It's actually a smart move to evacuate.

Look at what happened at Benghazi-even after MULTIPLE REQUESTS for help.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: damwel

Hmm are you a gorgeous babe who can't think your way out of a paper bag?

a reply to: douglas5

Ridiculous sexist comment and it has no place in intelligent discussion. There are ways to correct someone/ express your views without slagging off women.


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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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And yet, I backed that up with sources that talked about an agreement. So it's more correct to say that you think it's false


Yes I believe your sources to be false as it runs contrary to what the U.S State Department, John Kerry, Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad have publicly stated, many many times. Your sources are also premised entirely on hearsay with absolutely no evidence to back up the claims made, so why rely on them? if it helps reinforce your own bias then what can I say? thats your problem not mine im affraid.

Im almost entirely positive if I spend enough time searching I could find a source on some website or another proclaiming all this is to be the will of a giant pink elephant that lives at the bottom of your garden but that does not necessarily make it so in reality.




So then please, enlighten me, why has Syria just sat there and done absolutely nothing to try to stop the coalition from bombing the hell out of them


I dunno, maybe its something to do with the fact Obama threatend to obliterate Assads country if they did.

Paths to War, Then and Now, Haunt Obama


as he contemplated the possibility that Mr. Assad might order his forces to fire at American planes entering Syrian airspace. If he dared to do that, Mr. Obama said he would order American forces to wipe out Syria’s air defense system, which he noted would be easier than striking ISIS because its locations are better known. He went on to say that such an action by Mr. Assad would lead to his overthrow





You say they've been trying to remove Assad for four years


Not only me, if you follow international affairs in any way shape or form you will know this is matter of fact and has been part of American foreign policy for a long time. I can litteraly post hundreds of links with regards to that, but a simple search on your end should suffice, I imagine. How they are going to go about it, well, that would simply be spure speculation on my part. Coups can come around quickly or take a long time, depends on so many factors to be honest.
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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: igloo
a reply to: damwel

Hmm are you a gorgeous babe who can't think your way out of a paper bag?

a reply to: douglas5

Ridiculous sexist comment and it has no place in intelligent discussion. There are ways to correct someone/ express your views without slagging off women.



Ummm, I think he was referring to the intellectual prowess of the average Fox news anchor in reference to the musing question about employment with Fox.
Just in case you didn't catch that

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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

If Russia was not in the picture Obama would have ousted Assad a long time ago. Obama already botched the chemical weapons false flag, so they have to be very careful this time on how they ensnare Assad.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: sageturkey

originally posted by: igloo
a reply to: damwel

Hmm are you a gorgeous babe who can't think your way out of a paper bag?

a reply to: douglas5

Ridiculous sexist comment and it has no place in intelligent discussion. There are ways to correct someone/ express your views without slagging off women.




I figured he was trying to insult Douglas5... my bad then. (The way we use language is critical to our progress as a society and I'm no saint either, but it is another topic. Pointless to explain really and off topic to boot)

Ummm, I think he was referring to the intellectual prowess of the average Fox news anchor in reference to the musing question about employment with Fox.
Just in case you didn't catch that



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:31 PM
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So the US is willing to pull off false flags that kill thousands of their own citizens, but can't pull off a simple false flag involving a plane or two shot down, and only one or two pilots to get into a fight with Syria.

So you are saying Syria is afraid of the US as the reason they won't fight back. And yet the US is completely throwing their training, that they spend millions of dollars on a year, and doctrine out the window, and just flying all over potentially hostile territory without even having escorts for many missions, and flying their stealth aircraft unstealthy. Again, makes perfect sense to me.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: jaws1975

Other than ICBMs, Russia isn't in the best position to get into a major war right now. But even so, all it would take is one or two planes shot down over Syria, and Russian involvement or not, they would have their excuse to go after Assad. And yet, there hasn't even been a single lock on by Syrian missile batteries.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58




Again, makes perfect sense to me


Wether or not any of it makes sense to you or I is neither here nor there to be honest. But this might prove to be some worthwhile reading for you. Its by the Brookings Institure no less and may help shed some light on current events.

Saving Syria: Assessing Options or Regime Change



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: igloo
No sweat there frozen friend

On topic, any thoughts on this?
Personally, I can understand both sides of this debate. It's no secret that the current (and former) administration has been itching to get their claws into Syria for some time now - and it's no secret that it all revolves around another pipeline. If we see Biden's nephew suddenly appointed to the board of directors of a major gas producer? Well, there's your sign...

I think it's too early to tell, this could very well be a totally new and unconventional tactic designed to skirt the consequences and unpopularity of open aggression against the regime. Get the pieces all in place, make a few calculated moves, then pour lighter fluid all over the board and strike the match.

Or... it could be that we're doing just what we say we are.

Apparently, I've been in an extremely fence-straddling mood lately




posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: Dabrazzo

Whether it makes sense doesn't matter, but the military doesn't spend thousands of hours and millions of dollars in training just to ignore that training.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: douglas5

No right to enter Sryia without a request for help. I see it more like this...



purp..



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: douglas5

No right to enter Sryia without a request for help. I see it more like this...



purp..



LOL Good Cartoon. I honestly could not tell you if it is "accurate" or not but it was still funny as all get out.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Dabrazzo

Whether it makes sense doesn't matter, but the military doesn't spend thousands of hours and millions of dollars in training just to ignore that training.



Are you saying that training overrides orders ??

This ISIS thing looks incredibly staged, and is and will be used to conquer territories, cause instabilities, and give opportunity to again the same dam group.

Then they can march in and pay for some of that training real soon.



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